Air Canada ceasing certain routes from YYC

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Who cares. Ya it’s not essential for most, but who gives a crap. Air travel is also not the colour blue, it’s also not a walrus, it’s certainly not a 1960’s movie. All those things matter as much as it’s essentialness.

Let’s talk about the spice industry and how spices aren’t essential.

There’s enough spice in this thread, no need to start another one.

[nik-]

Travel makes better citizens.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

Anytime. Hope you’re doing ok.



I got news for you, the airlines aren’t providing flights out of benevolence.



More news for you, the airlines aren’t trying to sell their flights for as little as possible as is. They’re trying to maximize their profits, not minimize them.



Who said anything about not approving of people’s lifestyles? You seem to be just looking to argue and are resorting to putting words in my mouth. There’s probably more than a couple of posters having a chuckle over you trying to frame me as someone who would advocate for transferring more wealth to corporations. Thanks for coming out though.

The OP stated that some existing Air Canada routes are scheduled to be cancelled. Everyone was discussing that news and how it might play out or how it related to someone they knew.

Then:

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

for the extreme vast majority of people, flying is not in any way an essential service.

people should just not travel as much as they do. It should be expensive and time consuming.

Which had a tangential relationship to the topic, if I'm generous. Not a single person mentioned "destination vacations". The number of unique people who partake in flying is publicly unknown. However, it is known that 928 million people flew in 2019, before the pandemic. That's in one country of about 1/3 the size. So it isn't something I'd categorize as "something a large portion of the population doesn’t get to do".

Anyway, it's been a highly enjoyable style of discourse. Thanks for learning me about business.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by nik-

Travel makes better citizens.

People who travel regularly for business and people who travel to all-inclusives in places like Mexico have managed to defy this aphorism.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by nik-

Travel makes better citizens.

Just not during the travel part.

[curves2000]

Some of these comments are classic. Air Canada is making a business decision, along with WestJet, to not compete as aggressively on a lot of routes. Less competition means higher fares. This is Statistics Canada data 100%. Airfares have exploded in a lot of places and Canada is for sure on the list. The irony is the level of domestic fare expansion and inflation that has arisen recently, mostly as a result of THESE style of decisions.

I am usually the last type of person who is looking for government intervention but this is getting out of hand quickly in Canada and it needs to be addressed. Government's for years have allowed this garbage to fester and it's getting worse. Canada is pathetic in this regard, just look at the level of complaints and the multi year wait for resolution to basic concerns at the CTA agency.

For those who are preaching this and that about less travel, saving the planet, nothing to see here etc, give your head a shake. This is rich, top executives at a few firms, sucking more and more money out of working people along with the government as well.

This getting ****** with something big enough to satisfy an elephant, without consent or competition. The little person loses and the big dawgs win, in the worlds 2nd largest and one of the coldest countries in the world.

This is awful news

[Barnet Flame]

Lots of things aren’t essential.

If we just stick to what is essential, we’re reduced to just existing.

Which doesn’t sound like a lot of fun.

[marsplasticeraser]

This hurts less than losing the BA Heathrow flight. That was such a great flight because of one world codeshares.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

None of that points to why air travel is "essential."

Given the amount of pollution air travel produces and the amount of resources required to make happen, it should be expensive and should not be expected to be the most convenient form of travel, no? Just a way to get across large distances when absolutely necessary, or if you can afford to do it out of pure luxury?

COVID showed us the amount of business travel that occurs is completely unnecessary and could be reduced substantially, and I don't think there's anything wrong with making vacations where you have to fly more of a "treat."

I can fly to Vancouver cheaper than I can drive to Vancouver and in less than 1/4 the time. That seems pretty silly if you think about it, so it's no wonder airlines are struggling.

Just got back to the thread. I did take issue with whiteout saying flying is an essential service, where for the most part I don't think that's true.
you just perfectly summed up my opinion on the issue better than I could have said, so thank you.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Lots of things aren’t essential.

If we just stick to what is essential, we’re reduced to just existing.

Which doesn’t sound like a lot of fun.

If someone told you that life was supposed to be 'fun' then they were lying.

As a Brit one would think you'd know this.

Your father was supposed to mine coal so that you could mine coal and your sons could mine coal! How much coal have you actually mined??

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by Blankcanvas

Pretty sure it's going to be the 'Eurowings' flight only. My girlfriend actually flew back to Calgary today from Frankfurt on this flight. It's a lost cost carrier owned by Lufthansa and is noticeably 'less'. Better than Flair etc. but very limited food, no alcohol included and aiming for the 'tourist' market. AC and Eurowings have both been flying this route for a while and the Eurowings pricing was usually less than the AC option.

Yes, it will be Eurowings that will continue to operate the Frankfurt flight. Summer 2024 it looks like they will be operating 12x weekly. So pretty much replacing the AC flight and operating what they've been doing here for the last couple of years.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by Locke

If someone told you that life was supposed to be 'fun' then they were lying.

As a Brit one would think you'd know this.

Your father was supposed to mine coal so that you could mine coal and your sons could mine coal! How much coal have you actually mined??

I’m NOT a Brit.

I just have the misfortune to be married to one.

But everything else you said sounds about right.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Just got back to the thread. I did take issue with whiteout saying flying is an essential service, where for the most part I don't think that's true.
you just perfectly summed up my opinion on the issue better than I could have said, so thank you.

If quality of life and happiness is not essential then you are 100% right. I'm genuinely curious what kind of world you envision where non-essentials are out of reach for most.

That's the most depressing thing I can think of. The only thing that makes us get up in the morning is the "non-essentials".

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by fotze2

If quality of life and happiness is not essential then you are 100% right. I'm genuinely curious what kind of world you envision where non-essentials are out of reach for most.

That's the most depressing thing I can think of. The only thing that makes us get up in the morning is the "non-essentials".

I like to get the daily news.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by fotze2

If quality of life and happiness is not essential then you are 100% right. I'm genuinely curious what kind of world you envision where non-essentials are out of reach for most.

That's the most depressing thing I can think of. The only thing that makes us get up in the morning is the "non-essentials".

This is something the environmental zealots do not understand. If you're going to basically set us back 2-3 generations in quality of life in the here and now to achieve your goals, people will simply rebel and elect governments that won't take us there. So if your asperations for the world involve items like 'live in a van by the river', live in 300 Sq. foot apartments, dry your clothes on clotheslines, only sparingly travel beyond 100-200 miles of your home, etc. etc. you will always be disappointed with the pace of 'action on climate change' because for a vast majority of people that's an unacceptable life to commit to.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by fotze2

If quality of life and happiness is not essential then you are 100% right. I'm genuinely curious what kind of world you envision where non-essentials are out of reach for most.

That's the most depressing thing I can think of. The only thing that makes us get up in the morning is the "non-essentials".

Exactly, even the labour movement tradition is to fight for both bread and roses. The essentials and arts etc.

[lambeburger]

CP is a funny place where posters celebrate the populace's purchasing power and quality of life declining. A lot of the most prominent posters on this forum are misanthropes and it shows.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

Lots of things aren’t essential.

If we just stick to what is essential, we’re reduced to just existing.

Which doesn’t sound like a lot of fun.

Is existing itself even essential though? It isn't really.

How will we ever survive with flight routes having reductions in carriers providing transit between two alternately serviced locations?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

This is something the environmental zealots do not understand. If you're going to basically set us back 2-3 generations in quality of life in the here and now to achieve your goals, people will simply rebel and elect governments that won't take us there. So if your asperations for the world involve items like 'live in a van by the river', live in 300 Sq. foot apartments, dry your clothes on clotheslines, only sparingly travel beyond 100-200 miles of your home, etc. etc. you will always be disappointed with the pace of 'action on climate change' because for a vast majority of people that's an unacceptable life to commit to.

I think some of it comes down to realistic expectations and the reality that we can't keep living as we are and have everyone else on Earth live as we do. Other nations are rising, which, given the planets limited resources, will necessitate some decrease in how we live.


While some environmentalists have unrealistic expectations, so does the other side. We can't keep living as we have done in the past. There will be much resistance to this, but it's a reality until we discover infinite energy and resources.

[lambeburger]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think some of it comes down to realistic expectations and the reality that we can't keep living as we are and have everyone else on Earth live as we do. Other nations are rising, which, given the planets limited resources, will necessitate some decrease in how we live.


While some environmentalists have unrealistic expectations, so does the other side. We can't keep living as we have done in the past. There will be much resistance to this, but it's a reality until we discover infinite energy and resources.

Spoiler!