2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If he wasn’t open to staying I think he would have been like Hanifin and stated he wasn’t going to sign but will show up to camp etc. I think he is open to it but no discounts this time and will want to maximize his AAV

I think he is open to staying and I think the direction of the team matters.

Look at Aho, signed offer sheet years ago and then resigned in Carolina. He mentions this is the best team on paper they have had since he's been there. He stayed when it looked like he didn't want to be there 5 years ago.

Lindholm signs 8 years and the Flames dump Hanifin, Backlund and Tanev and start a rebuild he might want out right after signing. It's not the best spot to be in if your committed 9 more years to a team going into a rebuild.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I think he is open to staying and I think the direction of the team matters.

Look at Aho, signed offer sheet years ago and then resigned in Carolina. He mentions this is the best team on paper they have had since he's been there. He stayed when it looked like he didn't want to be there 5 years ago.

Lindholm signs 8 years and the Flames dump Hanifin, Backlund and Tanev and start a rebuild he might want out right after signing. It's not the best spot to be in if your committed 9 more years to a team going into a rebuild.

Aho signed the offer sheet because he wanted his contract situation settled. I expect he fully expected the Canes to match.

[Hackey]

Ya that contract was an easy match at the time. Was almost a pointless offer sheet. Not to mention the Canes are one of the best teams in the league. That's a massive reason to stay.

Lindholm definitely has incentive to not say he won't sign. First he keeps that door open if he needs it. He has no idea what offers will be out there. He knows the Flames are in a desperate situation and will offer him a big package. Saying you won't sign then trying to circle back isn't ideal. Also, maybe he just wants to play out his contract in a comfortable situation. It's a contract year, so hes comfortable here and knows his role, teammates, daily life, etc. Its not ideal to have to uproot to an entirely new city and team. And I'm sure he would prefer not having to go to a new team for a year then potentially move to another new team the year after.

[ForeverFlameFan]

I think we can afford to move Hanifin and Backlund. It's Lindholm that I think will not sign an extension until he sees how things play out under the new coach. It's never ideal to have your best asset play the beginning of the season without signing a deal, and if it does happen the constant asking on his contract status is going to get tiresome. But I think Lindholm knows that he has the ball in his court.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I think he is open to staying and I think the direction of the team matters.

Look at Aho, signed offer sheet years ago and then resigned in Carolina. He mentions this is the best team on paper they have had since he's been there. He stayed when it looked like he didn't want to be there 5 years ago.

Lindholm signs 8 years and the Flames dump Hanifin, Backlund and Tanev and start a rebuild he might want out right after signing. It's not the best spot to be in if your committed 9 more years to a team going into a rebuild.

I agree that direction of the team matters but he should know that they need to get younger and they are committed to Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar and in the teams eyes hopefully Lindholm as well. That doesn’t leave money for Backlund (unless he takes a team friendly contract) or Hanifin.

Does he like the city? Does he believe in Conroy’s vision? Does he like Huska? Lindy is entering his 6th season here and will be on his 4th head coach. Does he believe that Dube, Andersson, Mangiapane, Kylington will all improve? Does he believe that Wolf, Pelletier, Coronato, Honzek, Zary will be key pieces in 2-3 years?

A lot to consider which is not shocking as to why he hasn’t signed yet. He doesn’t have trade protection so perhaps he doesn’t want to move his family twice in a year with a young child? He hasn’t closed the door yet but the team won’t want to wait forever so I think he needs to make his mind up in the coming weeks ahead.

[Yeah_Baby]

The more I think about it that would be peak Flames is to have a hot first three months, sign Lindholm to big money and max term, then fall apart out of contention.

[traptor]

I don't really see room for both Lindy and Backlund past this season.
The only way I see it is if Dube get's kicked from the league.

If Lindy re-signs we will have these forwards in 24-25
Huberdeau, Kadri, Lindholm, Mang, Dube, Sharagovich, Coleman, Ruzicka, Pelletier, Zary, Ruzicka and Duehr.

if you sign Backlund you have to clear one of these guys out.

Calgary is also going to have to remake their top 4 D a bit. Hanifin is gone.
How much longer is Tanev a top 4D? Hopefully Kylington can start off where he left off, but that's a big question mark. Is Zadorov a top 4 D? Poirier and Morin seem pretty far still.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I agree that direction of the team matters but he should know that they need to get younger and they are committed to Huberdeau, Kadri, and Weegar and in the teams eyes hopefully Lindholm as well. That doesn’t leave money for Backlund (unless he takes a team friendly contract) or Hanifin.

Does he like the city? Does he believe in Conroy’s vision? Does he like Huska? Lindy is entering his 6th season here and will be on his 4th head coach. Does he believe that Dube, Andersson, Mangiapane, Kylington will all improve? Does he believe that Wolf, Pelletier, Coronato, Honzek, Zary will be key pieces in 2-3 years?

A lot to consider which is not shocking as to why he hasn’t signed yet. He doesn’t have trade protection so perhaps he doesn’t want to move his family twice in a year with a young child? He hasn’t closed the door yet but the team won’t want to wait forever so I think he needs to make his mind up in the coming weeks ahead.

I agree that he wants to see the team get younger but if we trade Hanifin, Backlund and Tanev or any other UFAs for picks he may look at this team and think it is 2 years away. More trades like Sharangovich might keep him here as the team could remain competitive.

I hope he decides soon as this team can't afford to have both Hanifin and Lindholm here and not signed. I'm ok with waiting on the others or maybe 1 of them but both is just too much trade value to be sitting on

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

The more I think about it that would be peak Flames is to have a hot first three months, sign Lindholm to big money and max term, then fall apart out of contention.

Nah. Peak Flames would be walking all the UFAs to free agency and then overpaying Backlund and Tanev while losing everyone else

[howard_the_duck]

I think Lindholm definitely is a max term player, especially at his position. Better track record and younger player than Kadri at UFA.

But it doesn’t mean he should be a max term player to every team. Contenders or young up and coming teams should absolutely be interested in him. New Jersey, Columbus, Detroit, plus the obvious contenders are great fits.

But for teams signing him at max term just so they get him, who aren’t probably being realistic about their contention window, I think it’s a foolish move. Flames, Islanders, Predators, tweener teams where he’s immediately their best player.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'd say the chance of Lindholm signing any contract extension with the flames still lies sub 10%. He doesn't want to be here anymore. Accept it.

This talk about "what the flames are willing to accept" limited to a 1C is nonsense.

I would say the chance of Lindholm signing an extension here is over 90%. Let's see who is right.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would say the chance of Lindholm signing an extension here is over 90%. Let's see who is right.

best guess on a timeline?

(I asked for jersey cresting planning)

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

best guess on a timeline?

(I asked for jersey cresting planning)

I am guessing on timeline being close to start of camp. That is a guess though, I think both sides are trying to get the best deal for themselves. I have said all along that both sides are interested in a long term deal and I have not heard anything that leads me to believe that has changed. If for some reason they can't come to an agreement and Conroy trades him it will be a hockey trade, not a futures deal.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would say the chance of Lindholm signing an extension here is over 90%. Let's see who is right.

Let's see, Mr. Kaufman!

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would say the chance of Lindholm signing an extension here is over 90%. Let's see who is right.

Here as in SW Ontario?

[Gaudreau is a Ninja]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would say the chance of Lindholm signing an extension here is over 90%. Let's see who is right.

Man I really hope the Flames don’t overpay again

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would say the chance of Lindholm signing an extension here is over 90%. Let's see who is right.

I second this as correct information like I mentioned in my prior post.

I don't think Lindholm ever said he doesn't like playing in Calgary or the city itself. He just didn't want anything to do with the toxic environment of last year's team. If that environment has improved this upcoming season (or he feels it has by his own feeling) then I think there is a very high chance to sign him. You have to understand that he's not going to displace his young family just for the sake of chasing a contract but he will if it the current situation (locker room, winning) is completely unachievable.

I expect 7-8 years x $8.5M.

[dino7c]

Yeah I predict 8x8.5 in the next couple weeks

And I'll just get this out of the way now...it's market rate

[Yeah_Baby]

Yeah, I don't think the Flames will overpay for Elias. It's just that he's not taking a discount which I think is totally fair.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Gaudreau is a Ninja

Man I really hope the Flames don’t overpay again

Well that ain’t happening. We are signing a guy who has averaged 70 points ever 82 games over the past 4 years. If the going rate is around 100K a point that is a 7 million dollar a year contract. Add 2 million for the sake of it and it comes out to 9 million a year for his first 8 years in his 30’s where his production will probably drop.