Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[Hemi-Cuda]

Grifters gonna grift

[Looch City]

I’m telling you guys, we need to rebrand this entire forum to be ultra UCP and get in on this grift. I want a piece of this pie, no matter how disgusting it is dammit!

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Looch City

I’m telling you guys, we need to rebrand this entire forum to be ultra UCP and get in on this grift. I want a piece of this pie, no matter how disgusting it is dammit!

I'm aware of all of the privilege benefits that I'm supposed to have in life, but I swear I accidently got put on the wrong cosmic mailing list. I want in! Yoho, tell me your ways, I want to be rich, too, by just knowing the right dude.

I'll be a Russian bot! I don't care!

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I don't understand the point of the HSA at all (aside from the malevolent long term intentions). If the desire is to enhance health proactivity, there are so many better options (sugar tax for starters)

It's entirely to get us use to paying for healthcare.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

I don't understand the point of the HSA at all (aside from the malevolent long term intentions). If the desire is to enhance health proactivity, there are so many better options (sugar tax for starters)

Don't more people get HSA benefits from their employers here?

I get a generous HSA from my employer and find HSA to be a low red-tape, easily used benefit to pay for things that have never been covered by provincial health care, or not completely paid for (or not at all) by employer insurance. The beauty of the HSA is what those things are can be different from family-to-family and the benefit provider doesn't pre-decide what they should be, whether it's prescriptions, dental, optical, etc.

Of course it could be the prelude to pay-per-use healthcare but by itself, I see HSA as an excellent bottom-up benefit, allowing people to decide how to use it for their most urgent or important healthcare needs. And Canadian governments already subsidize it, as employers can deduct their HSA benefit spending off their taxes.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by accord1999

Don't more people get HSA benefits from their employers here?

I get a generous HSA from my employer and find HSA to be a low red-tape, easily used benefit to pay for things that have never been covered by provincial health care, or not completely paid for (or not at all) by employer insurance. The beauty of the HSA is what those things are can be different from family-to-family and the benefit provider doesn't pre-decide what they should be, whether it's prescriptions, dental, optical, etc.

Of course it could be the prelude to pay-per-use healthcare but by itself, I see HSA as an excellent bottom-up benefit, allowing people to decide how to use it for their most urgent or important healthcare needs. And Canadian governments already subsidize it, as employers can deduct their HSA benefit spending off their taxes.

Yeah, as an addition to a benefits plan and the foundation of provincial healthcare, there's nothing wrong with HSAs. The issue is that while lots of people have them, you're not using those for basic health needs. You don't pay a fee to go to a doctor, or go to the hospital. If you use your entire limit of the HSA in the first week, it's not catastrophic because it covers things that are more wants than needs. I'm not sure about what the plan is for a provincial HSA though. When Smith says that people could use it for ten doctors visits, for example. For some people that's a lot, and for others it's just not.

Going by almost all of their other plans and schemes though, I'm pretty sure this is just not thought out and probably stupid. I'm not excited to find out whether that's true.

[Fuzz]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1679597355685892099


Small government saving us tax dollars.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Another government contract awarded to former UCP insider, this time Danielle Smith's former campaign manager gets $1.5M. No wonder we can't afford proper healthcare when so much the government coffers go to former campaign managers/staffers ala. the healthcare cleaning contract and $Billions in payouts to oil companies to bail out failing pipelines/refineries/oil well cleanups (that the oil companies were legally obliged to clean up without government subsidies).

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...arty-1.6904651

https://twitter.com/user/status/1679560295294054400



It's hilariously depressing how many times she does the exact thing she has ranted about being a problem for so long.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1679560295294054400

It's hilariously depressing how many times she does the exact thing she has ranted about being a problem for so long.

One thing that is consistent with the wave far right politicians that masquerade as "traditional" right leaning small-c conservatives across the world as of late is their propensity to shameless projection and grift.

They see the world as corrupt and rail against it in the their platforms, but instead of being shamed to clean it up, they view it as "everyone else is doing it, why can't I?" then try to gaslight voters into thinking that's okay. It's like seeing someone rob the bank, then saying to yourself it's okay to do as well... it's bonkers and I don't know why there are so many voters okay with getting robbed like that. Can we go back to holding corruption like this in check please?

[Cappy]

I've found it all to be projection.

Any time a populist conservative rails against something, it is either something they are doing or something they want to do too.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I've found it all to be projection.

Any time a populist conservative rails against something, it is either something they are doing or something they want to do too.

There would be like 6 pages of CPC supporters losing their #### in the federal politics thread if Trudeau did this.

When one of their own does it? Crickets.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I've found it all to be projection.

Any time a populist conservative rails against something, it is either something they are doing or something they want to do too.

This has become a pretty common mantra recently.

"Every Conservative Accusation Is A Confession"

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

This has become a pretty common mantra recently.

"Every Conservative Accusation Is A Confession"

I'm waiting for the eventual "Libruls diddling kids under the pizza/chicken shop!!!11!!!1!"

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

I'm waiting for the eventual "Libruls diddling kids under the pizza/chicken shop!!!11!!!1!"

Rachel Notley and her husband run a sex dungeon in the basement of Chicken on the Way.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Rachel Notley and her husband run a sex dungeon in the basement of Chicken on the Way.

Bet you it would be pretty easy to convince blue shirts that underground NDP sex shops are ruining the energy economy in western Canada.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by rubecube

There would be like 6 pages of CPC supporters losing their #### in the federal politics thread if Trudeau did this.

When one of their own does it? Crickets.

The pattern I see when they're confronted by it is:
Remember when <insert politician they disagree with> did <insert half-true scenario> and they <insert hyperbolic example>! They're even worse <or replace with childish insult>!
Basically a masterclass in false equivalency.

[Cain]

I find the silence on things like this the most depressing. I have no problem calling out the liberals federally when they do things like this. I absolutely hate it. I hate it here too. The "team game" that politics has become is very unsettling.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Cain

I find the silence on things like this the most depressing. I have no problem calling out the liberals federally when they do things like this. I absolutely hate it. I hate it here too. The "team game" that politics has become is very unsettling.

They are waiting for an update from their central messaging outlets to give themselves a reason why improprieties are okay. I personally find, within my family of religious types, that a lot of people have been conditioned their whole lives that the group is "chosen and pious" and that its "us against the decadent world". They can't really understand or see that people are still people and there needs to be accountability, otherwise it's an admission that they or their group are not pious. The amount of times I've heard that "X neocons can still do good things" argument from them, after scandals where there are clear legal/ethical violations, is mind boggling.

Laws and accountability should be expected and applied evenly across all groups regardless of gender, politics, or group affiliation.

[powderjunkie]

I dunno guys, I think I'll give Danielle the benefit of the doubt about fifty or sixty more times...but if she violates my trust any more than that, I may start to become slightly concerned that maybe she isn't the one and only true saviour of Albertistan.

[Doctorfever]

50 or 60 more tries would at least put her close to the number of the Liberals.

Hahaha.

I jest…