2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Monahammer]

Comedic genius exists in this thread

[Ped]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1675652282199732224

I didn't realize how bad Domi is in all aspects of the game other than offence.

Not enough offense has definitely been the Leafs problem the last 7 years.

[BrownDrake]

Tre definitely isn’t going to be dealing from a position of strength when trading so it’s a bit confusing why he’d do this. These deals aren’t real game changers, probably Domi or Reaves (here’s our deal, I need a few weeks, wink wink) could’ve been done after shedding some cap. Bertuuzzi likely had a few suitors so perhaps he felt he had to move quickly who knows.

[dissentowner]

Ok guys, I am hearing the Leafs have definitely pivoted in trying to sign Nylander over the past 48 hours as they are not close on money and term and the Flames are very interested. There is a snag though, the Leafs are looking for futures in a Nylander deal and don't want to take salary back. This makes a Flames deal for Nylander tough as of right now. The Flames would have to move pieces like Hanifin for futures to add to the package to land Nylander or involve a third team. The problem is teams that are interested in Hanifin want to make hockey trades where they send salary back and not just all futures. I was told that not only would they want a 1st rnd pick but the piece that BT would covet most in a trade with us is Dustin Wolf. I have no idea if Nylander would come with an extension in place. So 3 pieces from us, Wolf, a 1st, and another prospect/pick is what I am hearing. If that is the case I am wondering why Conroy would not have done that Pittsburgh deal that was rumoured on the table. He could then put in place a condition where Toronto would get the later of the 1st the picks between the Flames and the Penguins. I have no idea if the Flames would even consider including Wolf, seems like a can't miss goalie prospect but then again goalies are voodoo. Conroy going after Nylander does make sense in that he stated he wanted to add another top 6 winger and that was before the Toffoli trade. Even if he projects Yegor Sharangovich as a top 6 winger that still leaves a top 6 winger need. The other thing is Nylander does have a lot of connections with Flames players, the Swedes and Kadri. Could be that they want to work out an extension first or maybe the Leafs won't let us even speak to Nylander without having the pieces in play first. Maybe Brad does another sign and trade? Maybe Toronto gets a better offer in the meantime or maybe the Nylander camp comes down on their ask but I do know that the Leafs are now open to listening on offers. Another thing I heard not Flames related is Matthews wants $13.5M on only a 3 year deal. The Leafs are not concerned with the AAV but want an 8 year commitment. Matthews has no interest in a long term deal. I think BT will eventually cave because it's Matthews, maybe he gets an extra year but I would be shocked if it is anything over a 4 year extension for Matthews. Damn I am tired.

[1qqaaz]

Wolf is pretty much the only player in the entire organization that I wouldn't let any organization touch under any circumstances.

Might as well just not deal with Toronto. Nylander is good, but other hockey trades make more sense.

[Flames_F.T.W]

I'd be fine moving Wolf if it got us a legit young centre with #1 upside.... Otherwise we shouldn't be moving him

[Toonage]

Please don't deal Wolf. Not for Nylander.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Wolf is pretty much the only player in the entire organization that I wouldn't let any organization touch under any circumstances.

Might as well just not deal with Toronto. Nylander is good, but other hockey trades make more sense.

I agree, if I am Conroy I am telling the Leafs Wolf is a non starter. Find another way to do the deal or walk away.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok guys, I am hearing the Leafs have definitely pivoted in trying to sign Nylander over the past 48 hours as they are not close on money and term and the Flames are very interested. There is a snag though, the Leafs are looking for futures in a Nylander deal and don't want to take salary back. This makes a Flames deal for Nylander tough as of right now. The Flames would have to move pieces like Hanifin for futures to add to the package to land Nylander or involve a third team. The problem is teams that are interested in Hanifin want to make hockey trades where they send salary back and not just all futures. I was told that not only would they want a 1st rnd pick but the piece that BT would covet most in a trade with us is Dustin Wolf. I have no idea if Nylander would come with an extension in place. So 3 pieces from us, Wolf, a 1st, and another prospect/pick is what I am hearing. If that is the case I am wondering why Conroy would not have done that Pittsburgh deal that was rumoured on the table. He could then put in place a condition where Toronto would get the later of the 1st the picks between the Flames and the Penguins. I have no idea if the Flames would even consider including Wolf, seems like a can't miss goalie prospect but then again goalies are voodoo. Conroy going after Nylander does make sense in that he stated he wanted to add another top 6 winger and that was before the Toffoli trade. Even if he projects Yegor Sharangovich as a top 6 winger that still leaves a top 6 winger need. The other thing is Nylander does have a lot of connections with Flames players, the Swedes and Kadri. Could be that they want to work out an extension first or maybe the Leafs won't let us even speak to Nylander without having the pieces in play first. Maybe Brad does another sign and trade? Maybe Toronto gets a better offer in the meantime or maybe the Nylander camp comes down on their ask but I do know that the Leafs are now open to listening on offers. Another thing I heard not Flames related is Matthews wants $13.5M on only a 3 year deal. The Leafs are not concerned with the AAV but want an 8 year commitment. Matthews has no interest in a long term deal. I think BT will eventually cave because it's Matthews, maybe he gets an extra year but I would be shocked if it is anything over a 4 year extension for Matthews. Damn I am tired.

Thanks for all of this.

It’s extremely difficult trade very good players right now without taking salary back.

The teams with cap available don’t want to give up futures (like the hawks).

Toronto needs to move a good player without taking back cap. Calgary needs to do the same, at least they do if they want to receive a player without giving up cap back. Seems like a stalemate.

Seems like the same problem with Debrincat.

[kyuss275]

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately IMO flames are in no position to be trading futures from their all ready below average prospect pool. Don’t get me wrong a line of hubby-lindy- nylander would be fun to watch. Just can’t see how they fit a nylander and lindy extension into team. Isn’t the rumours that nylander wants marner money? I doubt he comes off that ask if traded to Calgary.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Wolf is our untouchable.

You can mosey on Bradly.

[Moneyhands23]

Beat it Brad.

[The Original FFIV]

Let’s hope Conroy doesn’t waste too much time on this. Seems like too much of a boondoggle to make something like this work.

Focus on a hockey trade with another team. Don’t make Trelivings problem our problem.

[kobasew19]

Thanks for this @dissentowner, what was the rumoured Pens trade for Hanifin?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Acquiring and locking in Hanifin for 8 years is a futures deal. Stick to GMs who understand this and ignore the knobs.

[Heavy Jack]

Yea wolf is a bridge to far piece as far as I’m concerned.

[Major Major]

I'd be trying Hanifin for Ehlers.

[howard_the_duck]

No to futures, full stop. A one-way ticket to more mediocrity if this regime keeps moving picks like the last one.

We should be in a 2-3 year hiatus on moving draft capital, at least.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I'd be trying Hanifin for Ehlers.

Zero chance that Hanifin would sign an extension for Winnipeg.

[DazzlinDino]

Flames are better off being patient, no need to force a deal. Flames can finish top ten that would be a better than dealing futures. Brad made this cap mess now does he wants the futures? Would be a setback for the wrong reasons if they gave up Wolf.