[Trade] Flames trade Toffoli to NJ for RFA rights to Sharangovich and 80th OA

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

What are you implying? What is the something else?
Maybe the pattern of criticism is due to the fact that he’s not very good.

People don’t like negative opinions about the Flames. We don’t see it much from the Calgary sports media so it is disconcerting. Guy seems like a good reporter to me, but just my opinion.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The guy pretty much needs to produce at a top 6 rate for the trade to make sense. Otherwise it is basically Yamamoto and a 3rd for Toffoli.

I think that is a fair assessment of the trade.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

People don’t like negative opinions about the Flames. We don’t see it much from the Calgary sports media so it is disconcerting. Guy seems like a good reporter to me, but just my opinion.

I don’t mind the negativity.
Edmonton has the opposite and it’s awful.
But I think his takes often lack context and depth of thought

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Toffoli sounds sad they fired Sutter because he was a Sutter guy.

Then double hurt feeling when his extension wasn't prioritized.

Sounds like he didn't really read the situation well.

I kind of wonder if there was a divide in the room this season between guys who liked Sutter and agreed with his approach (Toffoli, Lucic, Lewis etc...) vs the rest of the room. We got rid of Sutter, didn't bring Lucic or Lewis back, and Toffoli wasn't a high priority, so maybe management is divesting themselves of Sutter's guys.

[Monahammer]

Lol y'all should remember I have no problem just straight up calling people bigots if that's what I think, so that is not what I meant there and you can all calm down. I was thinking more along the lines of bullying in general, potentially even hazing of a new guy type thing, but interesting reaction.

You're entitled to think whatever you want of his work, I'm also entitled to think its generally a bad look to beat a dead horse. Point taken on Francis and I should not engage in that either.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I think that is a fair assessment of the trade.

No, it's a terrible take that only an Oil fan would agree with. A big strong young two way sniper who excels at killing penalties vs a soft useless pile of garbage. Not comparable at all.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No. You imagined what wanted to hear.

Sent from my How Do I Use This Thing?

Some of us are more imaginative than others clearly.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't think it's a Sutter thing. Those guys are old and blocking young players from getting a look and Toffoli is 31 looking for term and would block a young player based on his contract.

Paying someone at the age o 31 on a long term deal is how you get yourself into trouble. Plus he doesn't have the wheels to keep up.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Maybe I’m wrong and he totally blows everyone away, but I’m gonna take the under on that one. He’s a guy who fills your roster and that’s about it. Not someone you have to pretend you’re thrilled to get back for your leading scorer.

Really? Is thete anyone here who has said they are "thrilled" about this trade? I see a bunch of posters saying it looks fine, and are not losing their minds over it.

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[topfiverecords]

Did someone just compare Sharangovich to Yamamoto?

[Dion]

Conroy has an excellent grasp of the player he traded for. I also like his vision for the team.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1673840026663411712

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

The guy pretty much needs to produce at a top 6 rate for the trade to make sense. Otherwise it is basically Yamamoto and a 3rd for Toffoli.

Well, no. Yamamoto also comes with that massively inflated multiyear contract, which dramatically lowers his value.

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[memphusk]

Toffoli called it and the thing is its probably just the truth. Thanks but no thanks. We are moving on.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Big and young. Has flashed scoring touch. Kills penalties. Disappointing last season after a strong start in the NHL. Good write-up here:



I think this gives us an insight into how the Flames are approaching this off-season: targeting young rosters players and change-of-scenery candidates rather than picks.

A little but like the Florida model. I am excited tobsee how he does. Put him with some skill and maybe he gets his game back.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Toffoli sounds sad they fired Sutter because he was a Sutter guy.

Then double hurt feeling when his extension wasn't prioritized.

Sounds like he didn't really read the situation well.

My biggest concern in everything that’s played out, is anyone that has ever won anything (including Sutter) with the exception of Kadri seems to be ending up on team Sutter. Feels like we might have sided with the never one anything sour grapes crew and are hoping to build around that.

That said, extending Tofoli after his career year last year would have been a mistake based on what it would likely have cost.

[1qqaaz]

Wow bad trade. Also that Toffoli quote is quite telling.
That’s my insightful contribution to this forum.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

My biggest concern in everything that’s played out, is anyone that has ever won anything (including Sutter) with the exception of Kadri seems to be ending up on team Sutter. Feels like we might have sided with the never one anything sour grapes crew and are hoping to build around that.

Well thats a disappointing way to look at it. I like it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Some of us are more imaginative than others clearly.

Agreed. "Imaginitive" in this case being synonymous with "delusional."

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[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Lol y'all should remember I have no problem just straight up calling people bigots if that's what I think, so that is not what I meant there and you can all calm down. I was thinking more along the lines of bullying in general, potentially even hazing of a new guy type thing, but interesting reaction.

You're entitled to think whatever you want of his work, I'm also entitled to think its generally a bad look to beat a dead horse. Point taken on Francis and I should not engage in that either.

We are all entitled to think what you were implying there but nice pivot lol

Also based on that entitled opinion of yours, your constant bringing up of Dissentowner’s ‘misses’ is just as bad a look by your definition as fans calling out their team assigned reporter, who’s a known and admitted Oilers fan, for his constant bad/negative takes.

[Jiffy Loob]

Yegor's goals from 22-23:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mcFRkjZkSM

All goals w/Devils:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pziH3kdo9FQ

(first ever goal is pretty sweet)