ECSF: Toronto Maple Leafs [ATL2] vs Florida Panthers [WC2] - Florida Wins 4-1

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have a feeling Treliving is going to end up in Toronto.

Have fun with that fanbase.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I have a feeling Treliving is going to end up in Toronto.

I don't see the Leafs making a GM change.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't see the Leafs making a GM change.

I think ownership will want bodies on the tarmac for the quick 2nd round loss to the 8th seed. Maybe it will just be Keefe? Do they break up their core by trading Nylander or Marner? If Matthews refuses an extension is he the guy moved? Does Dubas want to extend there? Many factors at play and one of them is the GM. If Dubas stays then I expect some other huge changes but the fact he isn’t signed this late in the game leads me to believe a change is likely.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by butterfly

The way Seattle built their team is kind of the opposite of the Leafs. Their best players are better than few, but their 13th-18th best are probably the best in the league.

Totally agree. Not super elite top end talent, but not much fall off between lines 1 and 4.

Really starting to like Soucy on the back end.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That whole line never played Sutter hockey for one shift, not one. Afterwards two of those players left. You can't use that line as an example when they didn't listen to D Sutter.

This is a joke of a take.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Leaf fans will riot.

Ok, well they won’t riot. They’ll write an angry tweet.

A morose podcast.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

Have fun with that fanbase.

Especially when the writing is on the wall and one for your first moves is moving on from one of the big four.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Major Major

This is a joke of a take.

It's half true. They checked hard but they also didn't play the same brand as the other lines they gambled and it paid off. They made high risk plays Tkachuk especially with his blind passes through the NZ do you think that's what Sutter likes?

Johnny's last memory in Calgary is standing doing nothing and losing his check in overtime against Edmonton.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Major Major

This is a joke of a take.

It is factually accurate but you do you. At no time did that line just play the puck back to the point constantly for low danger long distance shots. They looked for high danger passes in the slot. What did the other three lines do stats wise? How did Kopitar in LA go from an offensive beast to Huberdeau like numbers from last year?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It's half true. They checked hard but they also didn't play the same brand as the other lines they gambled and it paid off. They made high risk plays Tkachuk especially with his blind passes through the NZ do you think that's what Sutter likes?

Johnny's last memory in Calgary is standing doing nothing and losing his check in overtime against Edmonton.

Iirc Johnny didn’t lose his check…he covered the guy 80ft from the net leaving the 2ppg player to go 1 on 1 and create a goal.

If anything that was Johnny playing sutter’s system which seemed to involve no adjustments in that series

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Iirc Johnny didn’t lose his check…he covered the guy 80ft from the net leaving the 2ppg player to go 1 on 1 and create a goal.

If anything that was Johnny playing sutter’s system which seemed to involve no adjustments in that series

No adjustments was bizzare and TBH I haven't fully seen the goal just a picture it hurts tol see those losers win.

Those two went off in that series I wonder if he just wanted to let them pile up points and try to win 8-7.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I’ve been seeing quite a few Leafs fans whining about two “irrelevant” markets being in the ECF and how this is gonna hurt the league’s revenue. Maybe, just maybe, the Leafs should’ve beaten the “irrelevant” Panthers

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I’ve been seeing quite a few Leafs fans whining about two “irrelevant” markets being in the ECF and how this is gonna hurt the league’s revenue. Maybe, just maybe, the Leafs should’ve beaten the “irrelevant” Panthers

Not for nothing, but the Panthers fan base dwindled after years and years of ineptitude. They've been back pretty consistently ever since the team started to perform well on a regular basis. Put in a long playoff run and it could rejuvenate the market to being consistently strong. The only reason Tampa Bay packs their building every night is because they won on a regular basis. There's no difference in the two markets other than that.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

That whole line never played Sutter hockey for one shift, not one. Afterwards two of those players left. You can't use that line as an example when they didn't listen to D Sutter.

What is this? Gadreau was checking like he never had before, or after.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

What is this? Gadreau was checking like he never had before, or after.

Every system has players backcheck. Again, at no time did that line just come in and try and cycle around to throw it to the point for a low danger perimeter shot with no traffic. Gaudreau was feeding Lindholm and Tkachuk in the slot, in high danger areas. That is not Sutter system hockey. that is why Lindholm went from 42 goals to 22.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Every system has players backcheck. Again, at no time did that line just come in and try and cycle around to throw it to the point for a low danger perimeter shot with no traffic. Gaudreau was feeding Lindholm and Tkachuk in the slot, in high danger areas. That is not Sutter system hockey. that is why Lindholm went from 42 goals to 22.

Again, did you ever see Johnny check the way he did that season before or after? The reason they played like that in that season was because they had the personnel on that line that could do that. They weren't playing all offence either in "spite" of Sutter. They were sound defensively too - a trait of Sutter hockey. When 2/3 of that line left of course they won't have a line that plays the same way. Becuase they had no one left capable of it.

I get ragging on Sutter is the in thing right now, but do you honestly believe that the stubborn old farmer would let them play in a way that he didnt support? He would have broken that line up so fast if he didn't like the way they played. Maybe he had a lot to do with how they played, and it showed in both their offensive output and defensive prowess.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I get ragging on Sutter is the in thing right now, but do you honestly believe that the stubborn old farmer would let them play in a way that he didnt support? He would have broken that line up so fast if he didn't like the way they played. Maybe he had a lot to do with how they played, and it showed in both their offensive output and defensive prowess.

Yes I believe the stubborn old farmer let them play that way as he couldn't break them up because of how much they were producing. Actually, there was someone who was on an episode of Flames Talk that actually confirmed that the 1st line played the way they wanted, not how Sutter wanted them to play. If you think Sutter had anything to do with their offensive output you are beyond lost.

[bluejays]

I just realized John Tavares is only 33. Thought the guy was at least 3 years older. What a world of hurt the Flames will be in with Huberdeau and Kadri's contracts.

[Paulie Walnuts]

John Stevens on a podcast confirmed that Sutter wasn't happy with that line playing for personal stats.

No one is that dumb to bench or break to a line putting to those numbers playing your system or not.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If you think Sutter had anything to do with their offensive output you are beyond lost.

Who put that line together? Sutter.

Also, why do you always resort to statements like that?