2022/2023 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Angelino

If a rebuild happens, will Treliving lead it? Is Calgary confident he can rebuild this thing properly or more of the same?

Unfortunately after listening to Rob Kerr last night I think any idea/hope of a re-build is toast (much like most have already said)

He basically said that ownership only cares about the playoff revenue, not the product on the ice sadly. So getting into the playoffs is "the only option" they dont have plan B.
Even with the terrible play all year and awful goaltending, they've spent to the cap and want to recoup as much of their money as they can, and that requires playoff revenue. Sadly as much as we want to see this team commit to a proper rebuild and sell off some of our assets at the deadline its just not going to happen.

This further explains the 2 decades of mediocrity, the holding onto Iginla because "were only 1 center away" from winning a cup etc etc.

Sadly this franchise doesn't care about winning, its limping into playoff revenue and seeing what happens from there.
Honestly a bit sad listening to it, because as much as I knew it was probably true... finally hearing someone close to the team confirm it just hurt.

Just wish we would do it properly one time and see what happens.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Angelino

If a rebuild happens, will Treliving lead it? Is Calgary confident he can rebuild this thing properly or more of the same?

The organization seems to like familiarity, regardless of the body of work

Its the only way to explain Sigalet still being here

[Flamesfan05]

Time to trade Hanifin

It would be tough to find a bigger heartless choker in the league

[MrMike]

Go grab Varlimov from the Isles and save the season

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Angelino

If a rebuild happens, will Treliving lead it? Is Calgary confident he can rebuild this thing properly or more of the same?

Obvious answer is no. Arguably the team is in worse shape now than when he found it and not a lot of good pieces for the future

He has already gone through a generation of rebuild with high picks with no success. His moves looked good only on paper . His core is mostly gone. The new core sucks.

Time for a change but that doesn’t mean they are going to do it. It’s the Flames, they love mediocrity

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Unfortunately after listening to Rob Kerr last night I think any idea/hope of a re-build is toast (much like most have already said)

He basically said that ownership only cares about the playoff revenue, not the product on the ice sadly. So getting into the playoffs is "the only option" they dont have plan B.
Even with the terrible play all year and awful goaltending, they've spent to the cap and want to recoup as much of their money as they can, and that requires playoff revenue. Sadly as much as we want to see this team commit to a proper rebuild and sell off some of our assets at the deadline its just not going to happen.

This further explains the 2 decades of mediocrity, the holding onto Iginla because "were only 1 center away" from winning a cup etc etc.

Sadly this franchise doesn't care about winning, its limping into playoff revenue and seeing what happens from there.
Honestly a bit sad listening to it, because as much as I knew it was probably true... finally hearing someone close to the team confirm it just hurt.

Just wish we would do it properly one time and see what happens.

Not sellers, not buyers, not in the playoffs, not in bedard sweepstakes, old slow boring hockey, underporfming players locked up to big contracts well into their lates 30s, internal issues with coach and players, gm with no contract, and our prospects look good in my opinion but many say our pool is near the bottom of the league.

This team is the definition of mediocrity. Infact mediocrity might be giving them the benefit of the doubt.

If they miss this year, they will have even more pressure next season to perform. Do we realistically see huberdeau, kadri and markstrom performing better when their 1 year older and just as much if not more pressure?

[Toonage]

I don't want to trade Hanifin, but concerns of how he handles high pressure situations are creeping in of late.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by traptor

Not sellers, not buyers, not in the playoffs, not in bedard sweepstakes, old slow boring hockey, underporfming players locked up to big contracts well into their lates 30s, internal issues with coach and players, gm with no contract, and our prospects look good in my opinion but many say our pool is near the bottom of the league.

This team is the definition of mediocrity. Infact mediocrity might be giving them the benefit of the doubt.

If they miss this year, they will have even more pressure next season to perform. Do we realistically see huberdeau, kadri and markstrom performing better when their 1 year older and just as much if not more pressure?

If we have learned anything about player performance, it's not linear. Too many peaks and valleys and variables to consider.

Maybe Markstrom is done. Maybe not. Then again, with Wolf coming down the pipeline in a hurry, we may not have to wait with baited breath to see that outcome.

As for the forwards, there's going to be new lineages to filter in, what happened this year will not have a ton of bearing on next seasons performances.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If we have learned anything about player performance, it's not linear. Too many peaks and valleys and variables to consider.

Maybe Markstrom is done. Maybe not. Then again, with Wolf coming down the pipeline in a hurry, we may not have to wait with baited breath to see that outcome.

As for the forwards, there's going to be new lineages to filter in, what happened this year will not have a ton of bearing on next seasons performances.

Yeah it's all speculation and the end of the day. Huberdeau could score 115 points again, kadri over a ppg and markstrom over .920 with added pressure. Even though this is highly unlikely.

This is the heart of the issue with the flames and why they've been a mediocre club. Speculation is alot more reliant when the product you"re speculating about is reliant. Theyre not reliant. You cant be a cup contender or consistent playoff team without consistency and reliable results. This team hasn't had that throughout this season or throughout the last couple decades.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Unpopular opinion but…

Sell Backlund, Toffoli, Tanev, Lindholm and Hanafin/Weegar if the price is right.

I'm curious of your list of teams that can take on that amount of cap space this time of year?

And would be willing to take on these types of players who are other paid tons of money and will be seeking more, or both, and would be willing to send out futures for these players?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Retroactive Kyllington ltir an option?

You can't bank LTIR, so it being retroactive won't make a difference. Actually it would technically result in us having less cap space. As the Flames currently have $3.4M in deadline cap space, if Kyllington goes on LTIR that's up to $2.5M more. Had Kylington been put on LTIR right away you would've only had the maximum of $775k and his $2.5M.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Grain of salt time!

Pagnotta lists the Flames as one of five teams linked to Blues D Torrey Krug.

Why do I have it in my head that Krug has no interest in playing in Canada? Didn't he say something about it at one point?

[Lanny_McDonald]

I hope Treliving finds the stones to trade away guys that might interest teams looking for playoff experience. I'm sure you could get a mid to late round pick for Lucic and Lewis. I would be open to trading away anyone of it would help recoup some futures. The team might not be bad if they can dump Sutter and inject some youth into the mix. I think the addition of Pellietier, Zary, and Coronato would help up front. Poirier on the back end is intriguing as well. I think all could help generate some offense and add some zip to the team, but that hollows out the system and we could really use some picks in this deep draft to help restock the cupboards.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Unfortunately after listening to Rob Kerr last night I think any idea/hope of a re-build is toast (much like most have already said)

He basically said that ownership only cares about the playoff revenue, not the product on the ice sadly. So getting into the playoffs is "the only option" they dont have plan B.
Even with the terrible play all year and awful goaltending, they've spent to the cap and want to recoup as much of their money as they can, and that requires playoff revenue. Sadly as much as we want to see this team commit to a proper rebuild and sell off some of our assets at the deadline its just not going to happen.

This further explains the 2 decades of mediocrity, the holding onto Iginla because "were only 1 center away" from winning a cup etc etc.

Sadly this franchise doesn't care about winning, its limping into playoff revenue and seeing what happens from there.
Honestly a bit sad listening to it, because as much as I knew it was probably true... finally hearing someone close to the team confirm it just hurt.

Just wish we would do it properly one time and see what happens.

Okay, but at some point "intellectual honesty" has to exist in and amongst ownership. If what he says is 100% true, then how can be they be content with 1-3 playoff games every other year at best? Ownership may very well be driven hard by the bottom line, but surely they are not so short sighted to see that there's better ways to make this more profitable..better teams, longer, consistent runs? Blowing things up once in a while, and swinging for the fences for a ten year run of playoffs must look better than the alternative.. roughly ten year average of one playoff game a year.

Having said that, unfortunately history proves otherwise.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Parayko was one of the names rumored to come back in a Hamilton deal before the Flames ended up trading with Carolina. Treliving does have his favorites he pines for.

That said Pagnotta's batting average isn't great lately including his misreporting of Rangers dealings yesterday which he got roasted for.

The Kadri debacle pretty much put him on my “don’t trust this guy” list

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Unfortunately after listening to Rob Kerr last night I think any idea/hope of a re-build is toast (much like most have already said)

He basically said that ownership only cares about the playoff revenue, not the product on the ice sadly. So getting into the playoffs is "the only option" they dont have plan B.
Even with the terrible play all year and awful goaltending, they've spent to the cap and want to recoup as much of their money as they can, and that requires playoff revenue. Sadly as much as we want to see this team commit to a proper rebuild and sell off some of our assets at the deadline its just not going to happen.

This further explains the 2 decades of mediocrity, the holding onto Iginla because "were only 1 center away" from winning a cup etc etc.

Sadly this franchise doesn't care about winning, its limping into playoff revenue and seeing what happens from there.
Honestly a bit sad listening to it, because as much as I knew it was probably true... finally hearing someone close to the team confirm it just hurt.

Just wish we would do it properly one time and see what happens.

Ownership needs to realize that long term it’s probably more profitable to build a team that’s capable of going on deep playoff runs than sneaking into the playoffs and losing in the first round, maybe second if we’re lucky

[sureLoss]

the fallout on the Orlov trade. Would be funny if the BJs don't get a 1st for Gavrikov anymore and then won't have the pieces for Chychrun.

https://theathletic.com/4246742/2023...shared_article

The news landed like a gut punch to Columbus before the puck dropped against Minnesota, specifically that the Bruins had acquired Orlov, a veteran two-way defenseman. The Blue Jackets thought they were going to be dance partners with Boston.

Multiple team and league sources confirmed to The Athletic that the Blue Jackets firmly felt they had a deal in place with Boston for more than a week that would have sent defenseman Vladislav Gavrikov to the Bruins for multiple picks and/or players.

The Blue Jackets believed the deal was done, sources said, but Boston repeatedly asked for more time. A deal isn’t official until it’s submitted to the NHL for approval.

The Blue Jackets wanted to get the Gavrikov trade done well ahead of the trade deadline, two sources told The Athletic, so that they could potentially flip the first-round pick from Boston in a trade with Arizona for defenseman Jakob Chychrun.

[Flamesfan05]

Great, now they can trade him to Calgary for a haul

Treliving loves to overpay for mediocre dmen

[DylanScores]

Hahaha! Columbus got Gaudreaud!!!!

[Vinny01]

With the Flames being linked to Paraynko and Krug I do wonder if there is another trade lined up to send a Dman for a forward? Probably all smoke but I can’t see why the Flames are in the mix for a long term Dman?