Too early to panic about Markstrom

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think the idea was that Markstrom would be fresh and rested out of the break and it was an opportunity for him to turn the page on the season up to the break. It didn't work out but I understand why they started him as they are likely still holding out he can get back to the level of play last season. I have to think that patience is wearing thin though.

He also had a good record versus the Rangers apparently.

And it wasn't a terrible move - he played well enough to win and arguably got them to OT with a few of those big saves.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He also had a good record versus the Rangers apparently.

And it wasn't a terrible move - he played well enough to win and arguably got them to OT with a few of those big saves.

His expected goals against was 3.52 and he gave up 5 goals.

Sure he made some decent sames as goalies are supposed tom do.

At the end of the day, he gave up 5 and looked like he was forever losing the net.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Inferno

I never said he's not underperforming. But there's been plenty of games this season where he's lacked support. Whether that's offense, defense, or both. It's been pointed out many times by people who are impartial.

Vladar for some reason gets more support. People who dislike Markstrom try and claim it's because the team has no confidence in him but we as fans have no clue. For all we know they might feel like they need to be more responsible when Vladar plays and lose that mentality with Markstrom.

Vladar can put up a .857 and come away with a W, while Markstrom can put up numbers like .974 and .931 and still lose. It’s a strange problem to have.

And some people here act like the problem couldn’t be anything other than goaltending and are dismayed that someone wouldn’t have full confidence in Vladar. I like the player and think it would be nice if he was the answer but he’s sub-.900 in half his wins including in 3 of his last 5. Pretty similar to Markstrom lately, the latter just can’t buy a win.

[Francis's Hairpiece]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Vladar can put up a .857 and come away with a W, while Markstrom can put up numbers like .974 and .931 and still lose. It’s a strange problem to have.

And some people here act like the problem couldn’t be anything other than goaltending and are dismayed that someone wouldn’t have full confidence in Vladar. I like the player and think it would be nice if he was the answer but he’s sub-.900 in half his wins including in 3 of his last 5. Pretty similar to Markstrom lately, the latter just can’t make the big saves with the game on the line.

Fyp

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Francis's Hairpiece

Fyp

No, that’s actually different than what I was saying. Appreciate your effort though.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

His expected goals against was 3.52 and he gave up 5 goals.

Sure he made some decent sames as goalies are supposed tom do.

At the end of the day, he gave up 5 and looked like he was forever losing the net.

You don't have to downplay the saves. He made great ones. And yes, there were 5 goals scored. You deny he made saves that got them to OT? Or that he was hung out to dry in OT (again)? Who was a better player for the Flames in that game?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Vladar can put up a .857 and come away with a W, while Markstrom can put up numbers like .974 and .931 and still lose. It’s a strange problem to have.

And some people here act like the problem couldn’t be anything other than goaltending and are dismayed that someone wouldn’t have full confidence in Vladar. I like the player and think it would be nice if he was the answer but he’s sub-.900 in half his wins including in 3 of his last 5. Pretty similar to Markstrom lately, the latter just can’t buy a win.

Except Vladar's numbers are better than Markstrom's. 0.14 in save percentage is a big gap. Especially when Vladar has had harder starts.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

You don't have to downplay the saves. He made great ones. And yes, there were 5 goals scored. You deny he made saves that got them to OT? Or that he was hung out to dry in OT (again)? Who was a better player for the Flames in that game?

Every save he made got them to OT, Not just the big saves he made. But also the saves he didn't make that he could have (goals 1 and 2) could have had the Flames win 4-2 in regulation.

People around here act like a short 2 on 1 or a breakaway are guaranteed goals, but they shouldn't be. Those were the two saves I wanted him to make, and AI think Vladar gets one of those two and the game is very different.

I don't think anyone said he lost them the game last night, but I sure don't think he has a great game and that he played well enough to keep starting.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Except Vladar's numbers are better than Markstrom's. 0.14 in save percentage is a big gap. Especially when Vladar has had harder starts.

Assume you mean 0.014, but sure, it’s an extra goal every 3 games based on the average number of shots Calgary allows.

Not sure how that is an exception to what I said or what your new point is. I don’t think anyone is debating that Vladar has been better this season, have they?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

11-4-4 vs 13-13-6

I know which guy I'd run with for a bit

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Assume you mean 0.014, but sure, it’s an extra goal every 3 games based on the average number of shots Calgary allows.

Not sure how that is an exception to what I said or what your new point is. I don’t think anyone is debating that Vladar has been better this season, have they?

I mean, if Vladar allowed one less goal in that game yesterday the Flames win 4-3 in regulation. So it matters.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I mean, if Vladar allowed one less goal in that game yesterday the Flames win 4-3 in regulation. So it matters.

And if Markstrom lets in one more goal against Seattle, they win 5-3 in regulation, so it doesn’t? Is that how this works?

Again, not sure what you think you’re arguing against, but you’re not finding it here.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

And if Markstrom lets in one more goal against Seattle, they win 5-3 in regulation, so it doesn’t? Is that how this works?

Again, not sure what you think you’re arguing against, but you’re not finding it here.

Or how about we go to 6 games so we are not rounding down and make it 3 goals over 6 games. Does 3 goals matter over 6 games?

Like it or not that is a significant difference.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Or how about we go to 6 games so we are not rounding down and make it 3 goals over 6 games. Does 3 goals matter over 6 games?

Like it or not that is a significant difference.

It would be 2 goals, not 3, but it doesn’t really matter.

Did I say it wasn’t significant outside my response to you picking out a one goal game to attempt to prove it definitively was? I didn’t say either way, I just gave context to how many goals that is over a stretch of games. I think everyone is aware that the recipe for winning is scoring more goals and allowing less. I’m not trying to argue goals against don’t actually matter, so I’m just getting more confused as to what point you’re trying to make.

Vladar has a better SV%
That means he has allowed less goals, shots being equal
Allowing less goals than another goalie is a good thing, and usually indicates that the goalie with less GA is playing better than the goalie with more GA

What am I missing here? What knowledge are you dropping?

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It would be 2 goals, not 3, but it doesn’t really matter.

Did I say it wasn’t significant outside my response to you picking out a one goal game to attempt to prove it definitively was? I didn’t say either way, I just gave context to how many goals that is over a stretch of games. I think everyone is aware that the recipe for winning is scoring more goals and allowing less. I’m not trying to argue goals against don’t actually matter, so I’m just getting more confused as to what point you’re trying to make.

Vladar has a better SV%
That means he has allowed less goals, shots being equal
Allowing less goals than another goalie is a good thing, and usually indicates that the goalie with less GA is playing better than the goalie with more GA

What am I missing here? What knowledge are you dropping?

I thought you were saying that difference is not significant, but when fighting at the playoff bubble it's pretty significant, especially with so many one goal games for the Flames.

[Slanter]

I thought Markstrom's rebound control last night was... well, it wasn't good.

[iamca]

It’s been said many times, but worth repeating why does Sutter insist on continuing to play Markstrom when Vladar’s record should demand riding him until he has a bad game or the team is playing a back to back?

Seriously …?


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[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Slanter

I thought Markstrom's rebound control last night was... well, it wasn't good.

Tres, tres bad

Yeah, some big saves, but some equally big juicy burger rebounds served on silver platters

I said it last night but in OT he should be vacuuming up those shots. But he gave up rebounds and took himself out from the initial saves, twice in a row. The second time the rags made no mistake

[memphusk]

Whats with all the full twirls in the crease all the time also?

[memphusk]

Markstrom got old too soon. We were supposed to get atleast 2 more years before this. This whole team is becoming an old miserable man. Thats whats happening. They are turning me into an old miserable man with them.