I posted my take on the second to last page of the GT, and expanded it a bit here......
On the Kadri thing. If you are going to go out of your way to make a proper ethnic pronunciation for a certain player…. Do it for all of the players then. There are probably 10-15 players on the ice who’s names are being pronounced wrong. See how awful the game sounds when announcers are attempting correct Russian, Swedish, French and ESPECIALLY Finnish pronunciations.
In sports the general rule is go with phonetic pronunciation:
Phonetic: constituting an alteration of ordinary spelling that better represents the spoken language, that employs only characters of the regular alphabet, and that is used in a context of conventional spelling
I have real life experience with this, my last name is Polish and has been pronounced wrong my entire 48 years of life by anyone who has been handed my business card or seen my last name. I don’t expect people to understand how a J is pronounced in Polish. I would never correct them, and frankly, I don’t care. I’m not offended and I wouldn't perform Gold Medal caliber mental gymnastics to accuse people as racist against Jews for preferring to the incorrect pronunciation of my name, as some users here have against others. Also, if I was a pro hockey player, I’d prefer the phonetic version used as it’s what everyone knows me as, and it is how I introduce myself, as does Kadri, in the above video.
To me, it’s just Singh trying too hard, and making something trivial, very cringey. And throwing out the racism card against anyone who is irritated by it, is next level virtue signaling.
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I have not heard Cassie do colour recently. Time to turn the pitchforks towards Singh.
people have actually been fair and respectful of Singh this season if you have been following the game threads . I think this has to do with confusion more than turning pitchforks toward the next easiest minority or whatever you're hinting at
some people are determined to see the worst in others though
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people have actually been fair and respectful of Singh this season if you have been following the game threads . I think this has to do with confusion more than turning pitchforks toward the next easiest minority or whatever you're hinting at
some people are determined to see the worst in others though
Suggesting we should go easy on Singh because "diversity" seems more racist to me than pooping on him the same as we would any other broadcaster with annoying habits.
I posted my take on the second to last page of the GT, and expanded it a bit here......
On the Kadri thing. If you are going to go out of your way to make a proper ethnic pronunciation for a certain player…. Do it for all of the players then. There are probably 10-15 players on the ice who’s names are being pronounced wrong. See how awful the game sounds when announcers are attempting correct Russian, Swedish, French and ESPECIALLY Finnish pronunciations.
In sports the general rule is go with phonetic pronunciation:
Phonetic: constituting an alteration of ordinary spelling that better represents the spoken language, that employs only characters of the regular alphabet, and that is used in a context of conventional spelling
I have real life experience with this, my last name is Polish and has been pronounced wrong my entire 48 years of life by anyone who has been handed my business card or seen my last name. I don’t expect people to understand how a J is pronounced in Polish. I would never correct them, and frankly, I don’t care. I’m not offended and I wouldn't perform Gold Medal caliber mental gymnastics to accuse people as racist against Jews for preferring to the incorrect pronunciation of my name, as some users here have against others. Also, if I was a pro hockey player, I’d prefer the phonetic version used as it’s what everyone knows me as, and it is how I introduce myself, as does Kadri, in the above video.
To me, it’s just Singh trying too hard, and making something trivial, very cringey. And throwing out the racism card against anyone who is irritated by it, is next level virtue signaling.
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If he was saying Mangiapane in some over the top, Goddfellas'esque caricature of an Italian accent, I'd be equally annoyed. Same if he was saying Mikayl Bakloond which I also believe is the correct way to say it.
Not one tiny iota of this, not even a smidgen, has a single thing to do with Kadri's skin color or religious affiliation or Singh's. It's a professional sports broadcast, and he just happens to be doing something that tends to be irritating a lot of viewers. If it wasn't, nobody would be bringing it up. I honestly thought it was just me, until I saw the game thread.
For the record, I like Singh for the better part. The singing goal calls and Kadri thing get under my skin, but other than that, he's been pretty competent.
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Suggesting we should go easy on Singh because "diversity" seems more racist to me than pooping on him the same as we would any other broadcaster with annoying habits.
if singh clarified that he does it because it is authentic to the culture then it wouldn't be at all weird any more . but we don't know the reason for the discrepancy between his pronunciation and how nazem said his own name for the media . i'm not even annoyed, just confused . also I think Singh changed the way he says it a couple weeks ago which adds to the confusion
to your point .. im not going to comment on what qualifies as racism, but my pov is rather than getting offended by someone noticing and critiquing something , especially when it's profession related and not in a personal context , usually clarification is all that is needed . we shouldn't have to pretend we don't notice something and should be able to talk about that **** without it getting weird because someone jumps to the conclusion of racism .. people are so quick to go there that it spoils any kind of productive exchange where mis understandings can be clarified
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If he was saying Mangiapane in some over the top, Goddfellas'esque caricature of an Italian accent, I'd be equally annoyed. Same if he was saying Mikayl Bakloond which I also believe is the correct way to say it.
Not one tiny iota of this, not even a smidgen, has a single thing to do with Kadri's skin color or religious affiliation or Singh's. It's a professional sports broadcast, and he just happens to be doing something that tends to be irritating a lot of viewers. If it wasn't, nobody would be bringing it up. I honestly thought it was just me, until I saw the game thread.
For the record, I like Singh for the better part. The singing goal calls and Kadri thing get under my skin, but other than that, he's been pretty competent.
How many Muslim hockey players and announcers do you know in the nhl? It's a one in a million combo.. I think it should be celebrated here rather than marginalized or generalized like you're doing here. Just my two cents
How many Muslim hockey players and announcers do you know in the nhl? It's a one in a million combo.. I think it should be celebrated here rather than marginalized or generalized like you're doing here. Just my two cents
Did you just call Singh Muslim??
God lord.
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How many Muslim hockey players and announcers do you know in the nhl? It's a one in a million combo.. I think it should be celebrated here rather than marginalized or generalized like you're doing here. Just my two cents
But Singh is Sikh, not Muslim. He speaks Punjab, not Arabic. The two languages are nothing alike. Singh’s way of pronouncing Kadri is nothing like either the Arabic way of saying it or the English way of saying it. It would be more like the Punjabi way of saying it, and Singh can use his accent if he wants, I guess.
Though that would be like if a French speaker were saying “Mangiapane” with a French accent for some reason. It wouldn’t make a lot of sense and would be mildly disrespectful to the Italian, if anything.
But I agree with your conclusion. And I bet Kadri himself doesn’t/wouldn’t care.
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But Singh is Sikh, not Muslim. He speaks Punjab, not Arabic. The two languages are nothing alike. Singh’s way of pronouncing Kadri is nothing like either the Arabic way of saying it or the English way of saying it. It would be more like the Punjabi way of saying it, and Singh can use his accent if he wants, I guess.
Though that would be like if a French speaker were saying “Mangiapane” with a French accent for some reason. It wouldn’t make a lot of sense and would be mildly disrespectful to the Italian, if anything.
But I agree with your conclusion. And I bet Kadri himself doesn’t/wouldn’t care.
If I assume that the people who get annoyed by the pronunciation of it also don't know how it's supposed to be pronounced from its originating culture, is the annoyance of the pronunciation because these people feel that too many non-western things are entering into the conversation in the west? Said in another way, if it comes out that Singh indeed did consult with Kadri or someone else in the know and the pronunciation he uses is in fact correct, would these people still be annoyed? Why?
Nazem doesn't dosent even pronounce his name that way. It's sighns way of adding to " forced diversity " hes adding a Idian accident to a non Indian name. The k in Arabic is actually silent if his reason d
For saying it the way he does is to be authentic then he's full of ####. Same way he was saying the " box of punishment " it was fine and a cool story when he was doing the Punjabi broad cast because nothing directly translated . At first it was cute and helped him push his book because it was a cool story . But he called it the box of punishment because English to Punjabi there was no direct translation. He's broadcasting on the English channel now and when he was using it it seemed gimmicky. English has a word for penalty box it's penalty box. He seemed to move away recently in the last 3 games.
I'm all for diversity but it seems so disingenuous to Say a Arabic name wrong in a Indian accent on a English broadcast and completely ignore the correct way in Arabic with a silent k or Jusr shut the #### up and say it how the player has always said it himself. Not like he's some rookie no ones heard of. He's been around a while and he never says it in a Indian accent probably because he's not Indian
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This actual is a great thread that was started because I notice this as well on the very first goal Kadri scored vs Edmonton. I think culturally everyone will bring forward there style of saying it because although it may not cater to all cultures it certainly does to some and it may be a bit of the overall proper pronunciation of the name in their eyes and also for Singh he is used to doing this from his time at Hockey Night in Punjabi. You can't blame the guy, he got into this whole business with Hockey Night promoting more of a diverse approach to the game and he has continued it now into English. We all recall his Bonino call, it had that approach to it, you would never hear Chris Cuthbert using that approach. I have a few examples relevant to Alberta:
1) The late Political Figure Manmeet Bhullar is one...easy to read his name and pronounce it as "Man Meat" makes sense but in fact it's "Munmeet"
2) Listen to Julian McKenzie on the Fan say Jonathan Huberdeau or Nicolas Meloche to me I pronounce it as is but he pronounces both with a hard French accent. Is it the proper way to say it?? Probably, but do some people have an issue with it....quite possibly. To be honest I certainly did when I first heard him say it that way because I thought 99.9% of people won't pronounce it "John-ah-thann Hugh-barrr-doughh" with a hard French accent like he did.
How many Muslim hockey players and announcers do you know in the nhl? It's a one in a million combo.. I think it should be celebrated here rather than marginalized or generalized like you're doing here. Just my two cents
It's still weird we don't pronounce every other players name with the correct phonetics. Think he's saying Zadorov ,Lindolm ,Anderson, Markstrom ,Backlund etc with Authenticity? No. It's not odd to you he's changed it . Just happens a brown broadcaster switched it up to a Indian accent pronunciation like " he's Brown and I'm brown these English speakers won't be able to tell that's not how it's pronounced so It makes me sound more authinic"
It's bull#### why he changed it right around the time his book was released. If he cared about it at all he'd say it like Nazem says it or like how it's said in Turkish and the English way and Turkish way are 95% similar.
It might occur to you that Harnarayan is extremely proud of Kadri, one of the few Muslim players in the nhl. Give the guy a frigging break
Probably true. Than promote it with Nazems pronunciation or the correct Arabic pronunciation. You can be proud of him but maybe promote the Arabic culture of the player over your own lounge way of saying it if your proud. That makes a bigger impact . The Swedish, Russian, Danish , French names don't get said properly either it's just weird . If he was saying all the names in a idian pronunciation then fine but he's picking a Turkish name to say it with a Indian pronunciation.
It's disingenuous. He's doing it because he has his agenda and it * seems * he's doing it because all us whit guys must be racist hicks and can't tell a brown guy apart from another brown guy.
I can understand why he may have his own bias like that . #### ,He grew up in Brooks. Not hard to see why he may have a bias/ complex himself regarding race relations. I was born and raised in Medicine Hat for the first decade of my life. I can tell you that area of the country at least then ( he's not much older than.me ) had no racial sensitivity what so ever . . Even when I visist its not much better ,Brooks seems worst still to this day.
I understand why he has his own * what seems to me * bias and why a English speakers not see the differences because it's not like he grew up in Surrey .
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Is this really a problem? Announcers have been mispronouncing names since the beginning of time. Maybe he's pronouncing it authentically and maybe he's not. Who cares? I can point to 10+ mispronounciations in every single broadcast.
And why do we think Kadri provided the proper pronunciation of his name to the media? Most 2nd or 3rd gen immigrants adopt westernised pronunciations. I have for sure as it's easier. I never could get anyone to pronounce my name properly even after explaining it, so just went with the easier westernised version. But when I travelled to Eastern Europe and people pronounced my name properly, it was pretty cool. If Singh is actually pronouncing it properly, there will be some crow (or pubes) to be eaten.
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