[Trade] Monahan and conditional 2025 1st to Montreal for future considerations

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If Monahan is actually 100% Healthy again I would have rather just ran it back with him and used the first in a different deal for a younger player than committed to $7x7 of Kadri

Fair point. We’ve seen that at the deadline a first and a second gets you something like Toffoli.

This team really wanted Kadri though.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If Monahan isn’t good to go and struggles to return then you throw him on LTIR and can use a first to add a piece with that cap space.

I just don’t like the idea of moving a 1st to be able to sign Kadri to a $7x7. Whole point of overpaying in UFA is you don’t have to give up an asset to get the player, if you have to move a 1st anyways and still overpay on the contract then it’s not really a good deal IMO

This is kinda where I am. A lot depends on how Kadri pans out...but there are a lot of warning signs for why it may not (contract year, older guy playing physical game means more injury risk, playoff suspension risk, etc.).

If Kadri is great, it's all worth it. If he's bad, it obviously isn't. If he's just kinda average (most likely) then it's a more interesting question...

1. If Monny ends up spending lots of time on LTIR (I think of NYR buying out Lundqvist...and then him having a career ending medical issue before the next season even started) = regretful

2. If Monny bounces back to be reasonably productive - even if that means trading him mid-season for a conditional pick = probably regretful

3. If Monny is munching popcorn this feels a little better, though the cost to dump him would get cheaper with every passing day of the season.


The one other consideration is that Kadri is unlikely to fetch any assets near the end of his deal. The alternative path of waiting on Monny and using the 1st(+) on a different player with moderate term is that they could have salvage value down the road (e.g. Gourde, Dvorak, or even Josh Anderson who has 5 more yrs, but he'll be roughly Kadri's current age 4 yrs from now).

OTOH we get to integrate Kadri from day 1, and we're unlikely to find anyone else with a similar skillset.

[FlamesPuck12]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

The "Did FLA finish 22nd-32nd" box should start with "In 2025". This is too complicated lol.

Flow chart is slightly incorrect in that it's based on where Calgary and Florida finished in the standings but the reported conditions are based on where the picks are after the lottery.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by FlamesPuck12

Flow chart is slightly incorrect in that it's based on where Calgary and Florida finished in the standings but the reported conditions are based on where the picks are after the lottery.

Oof you're right. This is too much!

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

If Monahan isn’t good to go and struggles to return then you throw him on LTIR and can use a first to add a piece with that cap space.

I just don’t like the idea of moving a 1st to be able to sign Kadri to a $7x7. Whole point of overpaying in UFA is you don’t have to give up an asset to get the player, if you have to move a 1st anyways and still overpay on the contract then it’s not really a good deal IMO

Monny may well be healthy but can no longer play very well.

That’s actually the most likely scenario.

You just can’t place anyone you want on LTIR, the player needs to sign off on it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's Monahan and a late first. Not that much different.

A late first is quite a bit different than a late second.

[Fourteen FTW]

Can the future consideration be Sean Monahan with Montreal retaining $5million in salary?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by butterfly

In the blink of an eye, we've changed eras. Rasmus Andersson is now the 2nd longest tenured Flame.

It depends on how you look at it. Between the 3 picks from 2015, Kylington was the first to play an NHL game, but he was the last to play a second NHL game.

Andersson was the first to truly become a fulltime NHLer.


Drafted:

1. Andersson: 2015, 53rd overall
2. Kylington: 2015, 60th overall
3. Mangiapane: 2015, 166th overall

First NHL Game:

1. Kylington: April 2016
2. Andersson: April 2017
3. Mangiapane: December 2017

Last Recall from AHL:

1. Andersson: October 2018
2. Mangiapane: January 2019
3. Kylington: April 2021

There are only 4 players left on the team who played the full 2018-19 season in Calgary: Backlund, Andersson, Lindholm, and Hanifin. Plus, another 4 who split the season between Stockton and Calgary: Mangiapane, Kylington, Dube, and Valimaki.

[Monahammer]

I'm sad about this
I wanted to see Sean retire here.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

This is kinda where I am. A lot depends on how Kadri pans out...but there are a lot of warning signs for why it may not (contract year, older guy playing physical game means more injury risk, playoff suspension risk, etc.).

If Kadri is great, it's all worth it. If he's bad, it obviously isn't. If he's just kinda average (most likely) then it's a more interesting question...

1. If Monny ends up spending lots of time on LTIR (I think of NYR buying out Lundqvist...and then him having a career ending medical issue before the next season even started) = regretful

2. If Monny bounces back to be reasonably productive - even if that means trading him mid-season for a conditional pick = probably regretful

3. If Monny is munching popcorn this feels a little better, though the cost to dump him would get cheaper with every passing day of the season.


The one other consideration is that Kadri is unlikely to fetch any assets near the end of his deal. The alternative path of waiting on Monny and using the 1st(+) on a different player with moderate term is that they could have salvage value down the road (e.g. Gourde, Dvorak, or even Josh Anderson who has 5 more yrs, but he'll be roughly Kadri's current age 4 yrs from now).

OTOH we get to integrate Kadri from day 1, and we're unlikely to find anyone else with a similar skillset.

You do realize the season that Kadri just had is better than Monahan's best season playing on the top line with Gaudreau right? He is also a far better defensive player.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'm sad about this
I wanted to see Sean retire here.

As a useful contributor that had not negative trade value.

Sad indeed.

Wanted the comeback but Kadri is a more realistic needle bumper to club. Gambling on hope isn't wise from a management perspective so I respect the move.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The 1st is to create the capspace that you didn't have to sign the FA

And if Monahan can't go, and you throw him on LTIR, now you have to find a replacement mid-season, and that is a lot more difficult

Imagine if Kadri was on a 7x7 somewhere else and conveniently asked for a trade at the time you cleared cap by Monahan going to LTIR. You’re not getting him for just a late 1st pick. You’re sending multiple picks and a prospect.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'm sad about this
I wanted to see Sean retire here.

Look on the bright side. Your username fits now. Monahan got the hammer.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by getbak

It depends on how you look at it. Between the 3 picks from 2015, Kylington was the first to play an NHL game, but he was the last to play a second NHL game.

Andersson was the first to truly become a fulltime NHLer.


Drafted:

1. Andersson: 2015, 53rd overall
2. Kylington: 2015, 60th overall
3. Mangiapane: 2015, 166th overall

First NHL Game:

1. Kylington: April 2016
2. Andersson: April 2017
3. Mangiapane: December 2017

Last Recall from AHL:

1. Andersson: October 2018
2. Mangiapane: January 2019
3. Kylington: April 2021

There are only 4 players left on the team who played the full 2018-19 season in Calgary: Backlund, Andersson, Lindholm, and Hanifin. Plus, another 4 who split the season between Stockton and Calgary: Mangiapane, Kylington, Dube, and Valimaki.

Yeah, bigrangy pointed that out. I didn't realize that Kylington was gone for 2 full seasons in between the debut game and the rest of his career.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You do realize the season that Kadri just had is better than Monahan's best season playing on the top line with Gaudreau right? He is also a far better defensive player.

Sure. Unlikely we're getting that version of Kadri...

...but hopefully we get enough flashes of it when it really counts.


Overall I think this is as good a bet as any, and this is absolutely the right year to push all-in from day 1.

[dammage79]

At 7m. Down the road on the back half, that's a 4m contract in today's dollars. Not the worst.

[Dragomir]

This has to be the worst trade Treliving has ever made.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

This has to be the worst trade Treliving has ever made.

It’s not ideal but it’s the new NHL, plenty of precedence

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'm sad about this
I wanted to see Sean retire here.

he practically did

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

This has to be the worst trade Treliving has ever made.

If Monahan bounces back it would look absolutely terrible but unfortunately for Sean I don’t see that happening. Assuming he doesn’t it’s fine, a late first three years from now to dump cap and sign a better player isn’t the worst, even if I don’t really like Kadri.