Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If we give him $11M AAV I hope there is no NMC. I know we are over a barrel but fingers crossed. I'd like Flames to have flexibility when this window closes.

The NMC is already a given.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by blender

Which is plenty of time.

Correct. If the Flames fail to sign Johnny, running out of time will not be the reason why.

[Roof-Daddy]

If Tkachuk is one of the players that wants out should Johnny leave, I sure as hell hope they can get a haul for him.

I kind of hope whoever these players are that want to jump ship if Johnny leaves get traded even if he comes back.

[Flamesfan05]

Well if Johnny is gone, Treliving is going to try a quick fix. Hopefully not too much damage before they fire him and rebuild

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Well if Johnny is gone, Treliving is going to try a quick fix. Hopefully not too much damage before they fire him and rebuild

I mean you're probably not wrong, but who the hell do you sign to quick fix your franchise player and #1 playmaking winger?

There's not a UFA out there this year that is even remotely in Johnny's reality.

Forsberg was the closest thing (not the same player) and hes off the market.
Kadri is about to cash in on his career year which will mean he's going to get a contract that is clearly over his head.

This team needs to "pivot" as Brad suggested at the draft and realize it needs to rebuild/re-tool

This is why this all needed to be done BEFORE the draft.
Rumors of the 2nd O/A ++ being offered to Calgary for Tkachuk
Johnny's uncertainty..

HUGE miss by the Flames if Johnny's gone and we left that draft with nothing.
There's no doubt in my mind if he is in fact gone that others will want out.
That list starts with Matthew, and I'm not sure we'll get what we want for him after he signs his qualifying offer which needs to be in today I think?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Will Nault has pretty much called it on Twitter. Johnnys gone.

He was replying to Serivallis tweet.

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https://twitter.com/will_nault/statu...RduTwMw0w&s=19

Nault also thought Tkachuk was going to be traded on night 1 of the draft. FWIW

[Burning Beard]

Nault is a moron. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Nault also thought Tkachuk was going to be traded on night 1 of the draft. FWIW

To be fair, one could argue he almost was to NJ for the 2 O/A pick++

Brad just didn't bite because everything hinges on Johnny signing.. and Brad is doing w/e he can to sign him.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Do we need a Wall of Shame for this thread?

Already exists. Just click on his user profile and then click on “find more posts by this user.”

It’ll extend well beyond this thread though.

[Lanny_McDonald]

If Gaudreau is gone, the exodus will be interesting to watch develop. Tkachuk will not re-sign with the team long-term (I don't think he re-signs long-term regardless of Gaudreau, but that's just a gut feel). Coleman, who came here on Gaudreau's recommendation, will be demanding a trade. Lindholm will see his linemates both go and will likely make it abundantly clear he has no interest in re-upping when his contract ends as he will see the lack of future for this team. Same with Hanifin. With the top players all gone how long will Markstrom want to hang around? Dominoes are there ready to fall. Gaudreau is the most important player to this team and it is critical they get him under contract, otherwise the consequences will be severe and widespread. I think the Flames know this and will pay up to $11M. That would be all the potential savings from Lucic disappearing being dumped into Gaudreau's salary. They just have to sell Gaudreau on Calgary being the best place for his growing family and future children.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

I’m not trying to ruin anyone’s evening, but you guys need to drink a nice warm glass of reality. It has been painfully obvious to any outside observer that Gaudreau was leaving months ago. There’s a reason players this good very rarely make it to free agency, and that’s because franchises don’t let it happen. The Bennett trade, how we lost Giordano in the expansion draft, Gaudreau about to leave, and Tkachuk likely looking for a trade or being forced to stick around another year before he’s allowed to be free. One bad situation after another. A poster on here is saying that ownership is negotiating directly with Gaudreau? How does Treliving still have a job?

I was down with the news I woke up to or didn't wake up to.

Then I read this post and man did I laugh.

Thank you Mega.

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[Badgers Nose]

Some of the doom and gloom here is laughable.

Both because it’s premature and also that it is blown out of proportion.

These are professionals. If JG leaves the Flames will miss him but also will want to show that they aren’t useless without him.

[dammage79]

Nothings official until it's happened. That's the thing with all this. All we have is what gets put out there.

Still cannot reiterate this enough, this is the biggest, toughest offseason in Flames history. And the delicate balance can be broken with one small mistep.

I just worry that so far with the literal lack of any steps taken as we reach the 11th hour is going to be the undoing of this current iteration.

[SuperMatt18]

Will Nault has no idea about anything related to the Flames and doom and gloom is his shtick

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

He'd get 12.5 x 7 on the open market. Why would he sign that with us? Why would we even offer that when 8 years is the only leverage we've got?

Nah, that number is not gonna happen.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

He'd get 12.5 x 7 on the open market. Why would he sign that with us? Why would we even offer that when 8 years is the only leverage we've got?

The idea that Gaudreau is only focused on the total dollars and not the AAV is fiction IMO. The 8th year is an advantage, but not to the point where it allows the Flames to spread the same money over a longer term. They are not negotiating with a fool.

I have little doubt he gets $11MM plus on the open market and that's the basis of the ask from the Gaudreau camp. Not much motivation for them to come down from that number so I don't see this as a meet in the middle kind of situation.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I mean you're probably not wrong, but who the hell do you sign to quick fix your franchise player and #1 playmaking winger?

There's not a UFA out there this year that is even remotely in Johnny's reality.

Forsberg was the closest thing (not the same player) and hes off the market.
Kadri is about to cash in on his career year which will mean he's going to get a contract that is clearly over his head.

This team needs to "pivot" as Brad suggested at the draft and realize it needs to rebuild/re-tool

This is why this all needed to be done BEFORE the draft.
Rumors of the 2nd O/A ++ being offered to Calgary for Tkachuk
Johnny's uncertainty..

HUGE miss by the Flames if Johnny's gone and we left that draft with nothing.
There's no doubt in my mind if he is in fact gone that others will want out.
That list starts with Matthew, and I'm not sure we'll get what we want for him after he signs his qualifying offer which needs to be in today I think?

I don’t know what they are going to get but they will try because Sutter is not here for a rebuild. Once Sutter and Treliving are gone then the rebuild will start

[McG]

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Flames will have an idea about future salary caps and will know where other contracts within the team sit. JG’s camp may also have this information.

When I saw the alleged gap this morning they are $12 million apart (assuming 8*$1.5 million). That’s a lot! However…splitting the difference per season between both alleged but perhaps not unreasonable numbers (and there is no reason whatsoever for both parties to agree with that split), the mid point is one nhl minimum contract. Flames cannot let a 100 point player leave for an nhl minimum contract and I suspect both sides know this.

I’m predicting that it gets done at 8*$10.85. Both sides win and both give money up. No source…just me guessing.

[madmike]

If Gaudreau and Tkachuk both end up leaving, which I am beginning to think is a likely scenario, the Flames are going to become a dumpster fire very quickly. I thought Forsberg might be a band-aid fix for Gaudreau and possibly help convince Tkachuk to stay, but that option is gone now.

No significant FAs will come to Calgary without a serious overpayment. And existing vets are going to flee as soon as they get a chance. The Flames could easily go from a team struggling to fit salaries under the cap, to a team taking on bad contracts just to hit the floor.

The only real positive is they will be collecting some high picks.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The idea that Gaudreau is only focused on the total dollars and not the AAV is fiction IMO. The 8th year is an advantage, but not to the point where it allows the Flames to spread the same money over a longer term. They are not negotiating with a fool.

I have little doubt he gets $11MM plus on the open market and that's the basis of the ask from the Gaudreau camp. Not much motivation for them to come down from that number so I don't see this as a meet in the middle kind of situation.

Yeah it’s laughable that people think his agent would give all of the 8th year advantage to the flames

He will want close to the same salary for 8 yrs