Matthew Tkachuk & Johnny Gaudreau Signing Watch Thread

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Seems weird to guarantee a jersey in the stands and choice of letter. I could be totally wrong but I don't think that legacy stuff carries a lot of weight compared to money, term, and location. Also if that money is correct then I imagine it's a starting point as another team will easily be able to match or surpass that on a 7 year contract.

"Easily???" 11,000,000 is a finger snap for most teams? Yes, you could be wrong.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

"Easily???" 11,000,000 is a finger snap for most teams? Yes, you could be wrong.

That's less than Panarin and I imagine that contract is a measuring stick. I think you will be left disappointed if you think he's going to accept Darnell Nurse money.

[CGY12]

So Johnny and his agent have identified exactly what my previous posts are about (if this is true). Johnny knows he's the only one on his line and the team that can do this effectively, every game, at a high level, and he realizes for the team to get to the next level, he needs more support. This may come across as a self pat on the back (o well) but I'm just ecstatic that somebody realizes this is a major issue during playoff hockey.

[GioforPM]

9.5x8=76M. Another team would have to offer 10.86x7. Not impossible. Panarin makes more (and his was a 7 year deal). Marner makes a hair more but his contract was only 6 years ($65M). But they’re the only wingers (and only 3 centres make more). Panarin’s contract has always been a bit of an outlier.

So what teams can afford $11M, that JG wants to go to? As an opening offer, this is competitive and while I can see it going up a bit, say to 10 (which would make competitors have to pay 11.4) it shows they can win a bidding war.

Edit: Contenders generally are set at top end forwards. The flyers right now only have $5M in space and a bad team. NJD has space but is Gaudreau really in their wheelhouse?

[Monahammer]

Please see original comment.

[Monahammer]

Above.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Ok I slept on this info but just can't keep it to myself, I'm a sucker. Mods can PM for a source.

Flames first formal offer to Johnny was discussed yesterday, Johnny was not part of the call but will see the presentation today.
Offer was ****Edited out to lower Monahammer's heart rate*****.

This all happened early afternoon yesterday.

Thanks for the info. If this is accurate, I'd say the AAV ends up being around $10.5M... for a team to match over 7 years it would be $12M AAV - nearly an impossible number for most teams to match I would guess.

As for the legacy stuff, I actually think this does matter to players. Especially the elite ones. They aren't driven exclusively by money, that is what separates players like James Neal, Evander Kane, Kovalev, etc. from guys like Ovechkin, Crosby, Mackinnon, etc. They have a drive to be the best, and so I think Gaudreau does care about leaving a legacy in Calgary. Potentially cementing himself as the best Flame of all time when all is said and done.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Also, the contract had very little back dive. First year was worth 10.5 and last worth 8.5.

You sir have a hell of a source!

Thanks for posting

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The team brought up kylington in this regard but admitted they would like to see a puckmover on the backend

Like Kylington a lot, but I'm talking specifically about the forward group.

[Jore]

Thanks for posting Monahammer. It's strange to me also that they guaranteed that the first line would stay intact. Wonder who asked for that guarantee. Given the cap difficulties and how much value Tkachuk should have, if it's hard to find a deal with him it seems like an opportunity to trade him precisely for someone who could bring a consistent puck carrying dynamic.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's less than Panarin and I imagine that contract is a measuring stick. I think you will be left disappointed if you think he's going to accept Darnell Nurse money.

I think everyone in the league sees that contract as being too high.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

9.5x8=76M. Another team would have to offer 10.86x7. Not impossible. Panarin makes more (and his was a 7 year deal). Marner makes a hair more but his contract was only 6 years ($65M). But they’re the only wingers (and only 3 centres make more). Panarin’s contract has always been a bit of an outlier.

So what teams can afford $11M, that JG wants to go to? As an opening offer, this is competitive and while I can see it going up a bit, say to 10 (which would make competitors have to pay 11.4) it shows they can win a bidding war.

Edit: Contenders generally are set at top end forwards. The flyers right now only have $5M in space and a bad team. NJD has space but is Gaudreau really in their wheelhouse?

An interesting team that I didn't really think about was brought up at the Athletic today in Pittsburgh. Their cap situation is pretty similar to the Flames and if things don't work out with Letang and/or Malkin they could go big game hunting as I don't see them rebuilding as long as Crosby is on the roster. It would be akin to a Calgary boy that grew up a Flames fan signing with the Oilers but stranger things have happened and I think the Penguins are bold enough to go that direction.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I think everyone in the league sees that contract as being too high.

The Rangers didn't and as we see every year, over and over, it only takes one team.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by Southside403

I don't think Jonny comes back if he does then he loves it here. John's wife is from east having a baby with no family around is the challenge they are tight family 1st group.

fwiw, i moved cities with my wife, having our first child (and first grandchild), for, while good for us, signficantly lower than what Johnny and fam will get.

I think the point is moot, so long as the place he's going to (Flames) has been good to him and his family.

For someone with his bank account, a plane ride home really isn't all that difficult. Or a plane ride to bring family in.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

The Rangers didn't and as we see every year, over and over, it only takes one team.

Well, it actually takes one team and the player.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

An interesting team that I didn't really think about was brought up at the Athletic today in Pittsburgh. Their cap situation is pretty similar to the Flames and if things don't work out with Letang and/or Malkin they could go big game hunting as I don't see them rebuilding as long as Crosby is on the roster. It would be akin to a Calgary boy that grew up a Flames fan signing with the Oilers but stranger things have happened and I think the Penguins are bold enough to go that direction.

I just can't see Gaudreau going there, unless the offer is insane. Crosby is 34, he only has a few productive years left. Gaudreau will be in for a full rebuild half way through his contract.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Ok I slept on this info but just can't keep it to myself, I'm a sucker. Mods can PM for a source.

Flames first formal offer to Johnny was discussed yesterday, Johnny was not part of the call but will see the presentation today.
Offer was 9.5 mil aav over 8 years, including NTC. Includes a letter, Johnny's choice if C or A. Presentation was heavily steeped towards legacy and becoming the best flame of all time, guaranteed jersey in the rafters. Confirmed gaudreau is priority 1 with Tkachuk 2. But part of the pitch was that this line will be kept intact. One pertinent question that Johnny's agent brought up was about Johnny primarily carrying the puck through neutral zone still, agent wondered what plan was to address this. He reiterated his client's support of the coach.

This all happened early afternoon yesterday.

This is cool but the letter choice and legacy stuff sounds a bit ass-kissy.

I guess they're doing whatever they have to do.

[Vinny01]

Guaranteeing his name is in the rafters is not a stretch unless his game completely falls off a cliff he is pretty much guaranteed to get over 1000pts in a Flames jersey considering he is already over 600.

I think it is interesting they would offer him the C as I thought that was something that meant more to Tkachuk and would have been a negotiating tool in that extension.

I think the Flames key to contention for the next several years is ensuring they keep the top line intact. Those 3 go so well together and I believe can be the best top line for years to come. Anything under $11M is a win for the Flames. 9.5 is a strong opening as that has been signed by some prominent wingers recently (Kucherov, Stone) but the tax implications and less desirable market will push that up a million at least in my opinion.

The legacy and show of importance of Johnny to the organization is the right play here. He has been the face of the franchise since Iggy left with the exception of the 1 year when Iggy was gone and Johnny was in his third year of college.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Delete:

It has come to my attention that the process by which this information shared with me was obtained was definitely not something I want to contribute to. I offer sincere apologies for contributing to this. I ask that all these posts are thus removed.

That's the most detailed summary of an offer I have ever seen. Someone in the organization is leaking like a sieve, so I hope this doesn't cause problems.

[Harry Lime]

The only part that sounded weird to me *deleted*. I do think that 9.5/8 is a solid offer. Just saw Monahammer's request.