Kicking motion

[CaptainCrunch]

Here's to me the piss off.

Goal is scored - Good goal by the on ice officials

Edmonton doesn't challenge it

League calls in, takes like 8 minutes of pain staking review and slow down and conversations (I think it was 8 minutes but wasn't holding a stop watch).

Look to me if you need to take 8 minutes to review, you're looking for reasons to over turn it, and making up a narrative. I think there needs to be a timer on the review. If you can't decide in a minute of two of video you're looking for something that is so inconsequential that its making shyte up.

I'm still baffled at Coleman's atheletisms, after trying to avoice a collision mostly with a goalie where he foot hits the pad and its now in the air, and he's literally leaning away and going across the crease on one foot, he managed a distinctive kicking motion with the only foot that was on the ice.

That's amazing balls, the Bolshoi ballet levels of body control and skill. Its literally equivalent to crossing a rope hoping on one foot while bouncing a ball on your nose.

Amazing.

I mean again, its still likely that the Flames lose the series, the Oilers or more specifically Conna and Leon played really well, the Flames played a pretty poor series.

But FFS league to deny a team a chance at extending a series due to sheer $$$kery and incompetence is incomprehensible.

I mean it feels like at the same time that the Oilers were celebrating on the ice in overtime, the Video review department and the League were exchanging high fives in the background.

I've said that the media should get access to the referees after games.


Or at the end of the season the head of officiating has to spend time with the media reviewing the year.

There's no accountability. The officiating crew from last night will cash their Bonus and get gift cards to Bed Breakfeast and beyond.

And the League and Sportsnet get their neato story about Conna and Leon.

I'm glad I don't have to watch the panel or hockey against for probably 8 months to a year.


And finally Fire Ron MacLean.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Guys, Bettman just be mad about the arena. He gets all angsty about it.

Reno and Shreveport are still open. They’ll fit the NHL gambling profile he is trying to build

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Guys, Bettman just be mad about the arena. He gets all angsty about it.

We don't need an arena, Bullspit like this will chase fans off.



As well as a poor series by the Flames and the probably loss of major stars in the offseason.

[Teroy]

I said it would be disallowed as soon as I saw the replay. He didn't kick at it but he definitely pushed his foot out to send the puck into the net. Although I hated the decision, it was the correct call.

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by Teroy

I said it would be disallowed as soon as I saw the replay. He didn't kick at it but he definitely pushed his foot out to send the puck into the net. Although I hated the decision, it was the correct call.

Yeah, the problem is that similar instances stood as goals. I think that's what irks people. None of those goals should have counted.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Teroy

I said it would be disallowed as soon as I saw the replay. He didn't kick at it but he definitely pushed his foot out to send the puck into the net. Although I hated the decision, it was the correct call.

That’s allowed. It’s a bad call.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

Yeah, the problem is that similar instances stood as goals. I think that's what irks people. None of those goals should have counted.

Additionally, it wasn’t a kicking motion. Redirect at best but that’s been allowed and frankly has been a distinction in the past. His skates also doesn’t leave the ice. I still can’t believe it.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Teroy

I said it would be disallowed as soon as I saw the replay. He didn't kick at it but he definitely pushed his foot out to send the puck into the net. Although I hated the decision, it was the correct call.

So you're agreeing the goal should have counted.

[nfotiu]

The rule needs to be re-done. No one has any idea what a kicking motion is or isn't and they just hum and haw and ask the magic 8 ball.

I always thought the obvious solution would be to allow anything as long as the skate isn't lifted off the ice to make contact with the puck. The only reason this needs to be a rule at all is to prevent injury from people taking kicks at the puck, and making players keep their skate on the ice solves that and makes for clear cut calls.

[PaperBagger'14]

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That’s allowed. It’s a bad call.

No, it's not allowed. Get over it. We're not going to change it.

[CASe333]

2018 playoffs no goal reviewed goal: https://streamable.com/raqld

March 29, 2021: Jets player clearly kicks puck in and skate even leaves ice: https://streamable.com/0cx9ti

Oct 12 2021: The nhl backs this call up noting “a distinct kicking motion starts at the knee”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV7AWS52C_U


Jan 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=II22ThxJVN4

Feb 22, 2022: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvSktBJy7oM&t=384s

Oct 14 2021: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLAC9UOhAOA

Dec 2018 Nurse Oilers goal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax2HNQcKApY

The major problem here is there is no consistency and the initial ruling on the ice was that it was a good goal. Starts to be less of a grey area when you watch these clips.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Teroy

No, it's not allowed. Get over it. We're not going to change it.

Again, where was the 'distinct kicking motion' the league saw? I think that's what people are looking for.

A puck that deflects into the net off an attacking Player’s skate who does not use a “distinct kicking motion” shall be ruled a GOAL. A puck that is directed into the net by an attacking Players’ skate shall also be ruled a GOAL, as long as no “distinct kicking motion” is evident.

[Igottago]

The NHL is a garbage league when it comes to rules and consistency, its a broken product. First of all the rule makes no sense anyways, just disallow any goals that are put in with a skate and be done with it. But if you have a rule that says "distinct kicking motion" and you always allow the type of goal where a guy isn't lifting and waving his skate at the puck...where do you get off disallowing it in a crucial playoff game? The NHL needs an officiating task force to clean up this nonsense. Absolute trash.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Teroy

No, it's not allowed. Get over it. We're not going to change it.

Well, it is. Whether you want to go by the rule book or the countless examples of allowed goals that mirror what happened, but tell yourself whatever you need to.

I’m over it, just stating the facts. Didn’t realise changing the call by posting about it on an internet message board was even an option though. I’ll try harder next time.

[Poison]

Cant wait for the Flames to come calling for season ticket money. Though definately not the clubs fault, being governed and officiated by this trash will have me, and im sure countless others spending our money (and it was VERY loyal in my case) elsewhere.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Teroy

No, it's not allowed. Get over it. We're not going to change it.

If you're going to argue something, at least know the rules.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Here's to me the piss off.

Goal is scored - Good goal by the on ice officials

Edmonton doesn't challenge it

League calls in, takes like 8 minutes of pain staking review and slow down and conversations (I think it was 8 minutes but wasn't holding a stop watch).

Look to me if you need to take 8 minutes to review, you're looking for reasons to over turn it, and making up a narrative. I think there needs to be a timer on the review. If you can't decide in a minute of two of video you're looking for something that is so inconsequential that its making shyte up.

I don't think a time limit on reviews makes things any better. I want to refs and the league to make the right call. I don't know how things work in the war room but I understand there are multiple cameras and sometimes multiple feeds from different broadcasts and the different angles need to be stitched together to make the right call and I'm assuming that takes some amount of time. If they need 3 or 4 minutes to get all the evidence put together and reviewed so be it. Yes, it slows down the game but they need to make the right call. The decision making process and standards to for the call is what should be questioned and interrogated more than the length of the process.

[DeZoE]

Hey folks. I'm an Oilers fan. I like to come here from time to time to watch the meltdowns after a big loss, but I also love the game of hockey. That being said.....

I watched the 800 different angles they showed on the Coleman goal and of those 800, there was one that showed a kicking motion. Barely. My understanding of the rule is that it has to be inconclusive. Without a doubt. IMHO that wasn't enough to overturn the call on the ice which was a good goal.

If you're a true fan of your team and a hockey fan in general you never want to win a game, let alone a series on a call like that. Ever.

Do I think that in the end it would have mattered? No. I think Edmonton was winning that series. But it's hockey. Anything can happen. Did I think Los Angeles was coming back from 0-3 eight years ago? No. So what the hell do I know?

I can't wait until we meet again in the playoffs. Anyone who loves this game loves these series. Non hockey fans should be subjected to watching Oilers vs Flames playoff hockey.

[Poison]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I don't think a time limit on reviews makes things any better. I want to refs and the league to make the right call. I don't know how things work in the war room but I understand there are multiple cameras and sometimes multiple feeds from different broadcasts and the different angles need to be stitched together to make the right call and I'm assuming that takes some amount of time. If they need 3 or 4 minutes to get all the evidence put together and reviewed so be it. Yes, it slows down the game but they need to make the right call. The decision making process and standards to for the call is what should be questioned and interrogated more than the length of the process.

To add, how many times have we heard "it needs to be clear and undeniable evidence to change the call on the ice" Which was goal.