UPD: Lehner to have season ending surgery

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yes, it is. They returned Stone and Martinez to the lineup because they were required by the LTIR rules to do so. (The poster who said they are not required to do so is incorrect. Most of the LTIR rules are not written in the CBA, but in separate documents. Multiple sources have reported that these documents specify that a player must return to active status when medically cleared.

Has anyone actually backed this up? There is a ton of documents that include clarification around the CBA, including those that calculate LTIR, but the CBA is relatively explicit about healthy players being required to stay on the LTIR until space is made. There is not a lot of documents that directly contradict the CBA that are relied on for clarification purposes.

The Lightning did this much more explicitly with Kucherov the season before. If there was a rule requiring teams to make room for healthy players why is there not even a rumour that none of the other 31 GMs brought this up last season to the league?

And it's not even the first time it happened. Kane in 2015 was back for the first game of the playoffs. But when he was 'healthy' and practicing with the team in the regular season unable to be activated from the LTIR due to cap constraints that was exactly what was reported. Kane couldn't be activated because of cap constraints. That off-season the GMs discussed the Kane "loophole" and determined it wasn't something worth fixing.

And both teams won the cup. If both teams did something that the NHL has documents that says are against the rules then you would think one of the other 31 GMs or their owners would make a big deal out of it instead of just letting them walk away with the holy grail.

[dino7c]

Nobody is saying they actually broke the rules, just that the rules make a joke of the cap and they tried to take advantage of these loopholes. 11 players on LTIR and acquiring a guy that puts you 10M over IMO seems like blatant disregard for the cap.

All IMO of course

seems to have delivered some Karma in this case though thankfully


On the topic of this thread Lehner was dressed and was the backup tonight, so no season ending surgery? I guess he can still get it on the weekend if he needs.

[Roof-Daddy]

Sounds like Lehner is butt hurt because he feels disrespected?

He'll probably be a piece they try to move out in thw off season now in order to get under the cap.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Sounds like Lehner is butt hurt because he feels disrespected?

He'll probably be a piece they try to move out in thw off season now in order to get under the cap.

to the Yotes lol, maybe Oilers

who wants this guy?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

to the Yotes lol, maybe Oilers

who wants this guy?

I've never really been a Lehner fan myself.

[the_only_turek_fan]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I've never really been a Lehner fan myself.

He sure comes off as a "me first" person.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Nobody is saying they actually broke the rules, just that the rules make a joke of the cap and they tried to take advantage of these loopholes. 11 players on LTIR and acquiring a guy that puts you 10M over IMO seems like blatant disregard for the cap.

All IMO of course

seems to have delivered some Karma in this case though thankfully


On the topic of this thread Lehner was dressed and was the backup tonight, so no season ending surgery? I guess he can still get it on the weekend if he needs.

So they didn't break the rules but you hate them because you want the rules to change to prevent teams from having flexibility?

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Sounds like Lehner is butt hurt because he feels disrespected?

He'll probably be a piece they try to move out in thw off season now in order to get under the cap.

Yeah. I'm not sure who he felt was disrespecting him. I got the impression it was fans and/or media. Nonetheless he felt disrespected and instead of playing through whatever is ailing him to finish the season he scheduled season ending surgery without consulting the team. He took his puck and tried to go home. Mom (the team) said "You get back here young man!."

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

He's not at practice today. No idea what is really going on but I did hear he "feels disrespected" whatever that means.

I like Lehner but Vegas hitched their wagon to the wrong goalie.

Lehner has always been average. Won't lead a team anywhere.

Hopefully this puts Vegas on a 5-6 year quest to find a starting goalie like we were on after Kipper.

Still hilarious how some on here wanted to fire Treliving for not getting Eichel and anointing Vegas the class of the Pacific for the next decade....

[Eric Vail]

Lehner isn't the first starting goalie to feel disrespected by that team in their short existence. Other players have indicated similar thoughts.

The shine is coming off the franchise. That happened quickly.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Buff

So they didn't break the rules but you hate them because you want the rules to change to prevent teams from having flexibility?

It's not for flexibility when you go out and add 10M to your cap team with "guys get hurt" being their plan to get under. They are abusing the sprit of the rules. If they were worried about flexibility they could have made countless moves to be cap compliant not set LTIR records.

And it's a sports team, I can hate them for whatever I want...they are likely the most hated team in the league, have you seen the social media reactions to their loss last night? 90% of the hockey world is cheering for Dallas tomorrow.

The purpose of LTIR is so you are able to ice a cap compliant team when guys are injured...not so you can add a 10M player to your team that is already over the cap in hopes that you can exceed the cap by 15M or whatever in the playoffs.

[transplant99]

Sounds like Lehner decided last week he was going to go ahead with the shoulder surgery and Vegas asked him to delay it and backup over the weekend because of cap implications.

What a godamned mess that whole thing has become.

Certainly has the looks of ownership meddling considering the magnitude and plethora of the missteps seen the last calendar year or so.


George Mcphee and Kelley Macrimmon are truly great hockey men and I just can't envision them being this incompetant and disloyal without it coming from above.

Yikes.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Sounds like Lehner decided last week he was going to go ahead with the shoulder surgery and Vegas asked him to delay it and backup over the weekend because of cap implications.

What a godamned mess that whole thing has become.

Certainly has the looks of ownership meddling considering the magnitude and plethora of the missteps seen the last calendar year or so.


George Mcphee and Kelley Macrimmon are truly great hockey men and I just can't envision them being this incompetant and disloyal without it coming from above.

Yikes.

Lol a fitting end to that saga

[Reggie Dunlop]

Marc-Andre Fleury is probably the classiest player in the NHL, at least as far as the upper-echelon players go. A gracious public demeanour... like a Jean Beliveau of his era. Vegas treated him shoddily.

Lehner has certainly had his trials and tribulations (and good on him for overcoming those), but he's always been known as mercurial and high maintenance. Vegas has not done well by him either.

[OILFAN #81]

Vegas announced today that Lehner is in fact done for the season and he will be undergoing shoulder surgery.

[Galakanokis]

So that should should pretty much put a lid on their post season chances no? I think they had to win out at the very least in order to make it in. Logan Thompson looks good but I wouldn't bank on a rookie carrying you.

Good. Hopefully they lose a few important pieces trying to fit Eichel in full time next year.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Holding off on a surgery for cap help. This seems wrong on a lot of levels.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1518703146046005253

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Holding off on a surgery for cap help. This seems wrong on a lot of levels.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1518703146046005253

What a load of horse ####.

The league should have never allowed a team that was basically already over the cap if their entire roster was healthy to trade for a $10 million forward mid season without sending the equivalent cap out somehow.

LTIR usage is becoming quite the cluster####.

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What a load of horse ####.

The league should have never allowed a team that was basically already over the cap if their entire roster was healthy to trade for a $10 million forward mid season without sending the equivalent cap out somehow.

LTIR usage is becoming quite the cluster####.

It is probably going to cost them a playoff spot and likely some jobs. So, I think many GMs may think twice about it moving forward.


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by NegativeSpace

It is probably going to cost them a playoff spot and likely some jobs. So, I think many GMs may think twice about it moving forward.


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Hopefully.

It's nice to have this blow up in a teams face instead of resulting in a Stanley Cup win