Can we talk about the cap?

[Reggie Dunlop]

We're doomed.

[Jason14h]

Future Flames problem

But I would suspect Lucic cap hit is not here next year to start if JG stays

[heep223]

I refuse to think about this until after the parade.

[Lil Pedro]

Gotta think if a trade can't be worked out for 23, they explore the option of a buyout...not ideal but would open up an additional $4 million (although he has an additional year on the cap after that).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Gotta think if a trade can't be worked out for 23, they explore the option of a buyout...not ideal but would open up an additional $4 million (although he has an additional year on the cap after that).

I find it hard to believe a trade with salary retention can’t be done and that’s better than a buyout.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I find it hard to believe a trade with salary retention can’t be done and that’s better than a buyout.

Agreed, surely you can get someone to take a chance on Monny if Calgary retained $2.375M. That would save the same $4M next year and relieve Calgary of any future cap implications.

[Monahammer]

Monahan's perpetual injury could come in real handy next season

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Agreed, surely you can get someone to take a chance on Monny if Calgary retained $2.375M. That would save the same $4M next year and relieve Calgary of any future cap implications.

No one will need to retain. Stepan was worse and got traded full contract. But, I have a feeling we will be creative with the cap. No one else is punished for it so why should we be?

Chin up, you can stop your crusade against mony for now.

[cral12]

i just trust in CPer Freeway for all things cap related

(@RyanNPike on ze Twitter, Flames Nation)

[blankall]

Yeah, was thinking about this....Unfortunately Mangiapane may be gone. Getting a great return for him would make it sting a lot less. There's also Backlund, Monahan, and Lucic, to look at moving, the challenge is finding a taker.

At the end of the day, the team can't be cap compliant without moving two of Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Lucic, Backlund, or Monahan.

[jjgallow]

"It is what it is"

-Bertuzzi

[ssjshmo]

That's a problem for future Homer Brad, man I don't envy that guy

[Lanny_McDonald]

I suspect that we will see one of Gaudreau, Tkachuk, or Mangiapane traded around the draft to recoup some youth and do a mini-retool on the fly. I suspect it's going to be Tkachuk that gets dealt for a 1st and a couple of very solid to bluechip prospects/players ready to make the jump. Flames will lose a top line player but bring in some players with potential to develop into the same level of player. I think the Flames dump a player like Lucic or Monahan to make sure they can retain some of the other players on the roster like Zadorov and Gudbransson, and then pay the RFAs. There are some interesting targets out there. More to come.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by BigRed

It'll take such a bite out of the team's chemistry. Monahan might not be too missed, but Lucic seems like an important piece. Wish we had him at ~ 2, which is where he belongs at this point in his career.

Gudbranson, assuming he'll sign for around the same as he's making now (1,95) with a bit of term (3 years? 4?) is good value. But you're right, some pretty deep cuts need to happen to preserve the top line and the top 4 D.

Renegitiating contracts is an option too

[ben voyonsdonc]

This team is certainly going to look different over the next few years as our current window is closing. I think Brad recognizes that and it is why he's pushing his chips in this year because he knows that we won't likely have a better team on paper over the next couple of years so you need to go for it now.

[CSharp]

Definitely not going to be the same team next year. So, hopefully, the Flames can win it all this playoffs. We're definitely gonna lose some really good players on the UFA market and here are my thoughts:

D-men - Tre will try and get that all sorted out first.
Gudbranson (UFA)- Sign
Zadorov (UFA)- Sign
Stone (UFA)- Gone
Kylington (RFA) - should be no problem unless there's an offer sheet elsewhere

Forwards:
Gaudreau (UFA)- Sign / Gone
Tkachuk - Sign (RFA) - unless offer sheeted (which could be a good thing).
Lewis (UFA)- Sign
Richardson (UFA)- Gone
Ritchie (UFA) - Gone
Mangiapane (RFA) - should be no problem unless he gets offer sheeted by another team
Ruzicka (RFA) - not a problem

- Others - Troy Browser $1.5M off the books finally!!!
- Monahan - traded

Didn't realize Tkachuk is an RFA - which makes things a lot better at least for next season if Flames decide to do a one year deal and have Tkachuk go UFA the next. Buys some a year's time with the Gaudreau signing, which becomes higher priority on July 1st. Also, Lucic's contract comes off the cap hit after next season. So, a one year deal for Tkachuk could possibly work out. So, if the Flames can't sign Gaudreau, they should go after Forsberg as a backup option - if he's not already signed before free agency goes into effect.

RFA's are far easier to work with for an organization - it's either they're signed or they'll be traded. It's not like a UFA where the player is gone without anything coming back. So, I'm not concerned about RFA status until the team needs to get it's cap space in check. Those can be done later after the free agency frenzy dies down.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

The focus will be to re-sign Gaudreau, which I think may cost us Eatbread, sadly. Tkachuk will stick around for at least one more year, but it could get dicey after that. Just the reality of a cap world.

Not all doom and gloom though. We'll have those players, or assets in trade or cap space to do something. Obviously a strong preference to keep Johnny and Tkachuk as long as possible.

The part I wonder about is whether the revenue issues/flat cap might mean there are more short term deals? Hard to say if that benefits the Flames, but I could see more 1 or 2 year terms for many UFAs instead of the longer term monster deals.

[Skaloper]

Performance in the playoffs will be a huge factor in deciding who to keep. If Gaudreau disappears again I can't see them resigning him.

[jroc]

What are the thoughts on Dube and his very underwhelming season? I'm definitely not in the camp for getting rid of him, but his $2.4M (I believe) cap hit is pretty high for a replacement level player.

I'm sure he's still a positive asset and a team would give up a pick for him, but almost reminds me of Lance Bouma, and perhaps the cheaper 1/3 buyout could be on the table?

Again, not saying we should get rid of him, but this one is a glaring way to save almost $2M on the cap.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I would not be surprised to see Dube and Valimaki used in a big splashy deal with the top six player that is likely to depart. I'm expecting Treliving to be active and bring back a team that may not be as experienced but have more potential on it and one that has potential to be dominant for a period of time. Moving Tkachuk will garner a big return. Moving Mangiapane will garner a lesser return but adding in Dube and Valimaki may dramatically increase that return. The Flames have some good young mid-level talent coming up, so the loss of either supporting player may not be an issue.