2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dino7c

It was floated by the media though so basically irrelevant

We can make up trades but that doesn't mean they are actually doable.

Uh huh. And I said they would be better with that offer that was floated, which is true. I didn't say it would have been done, or was offered, or refused. I said they would be better with the deal that was floated out there.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

What conclusions?

Sure it's a small sample size, but based on that sample size it would currently look like a genius move.

In the summer people thought Tarasenko was basically finished, and that Kyrou/Thomas would never be as good as Tkachuk.

All three of those players are currently outscoring Matty. Of course that could change.

Kyrou started hot last season too with 18 points in his first 21 games.

Finished the season with 17 points in his next 34 games.

I wouldn’t bank on him sustaining this production.

People took issue with the main piece in a Tkachuk trade being an oft injured 30 year old 2 seasons away from UFA that the Blues quite literally couldn’t even give away.

If the Flames decided to trade Tkachuk I think the majority of fans would rather them target future pieces (picks and prospects) instead of stop gap solutions.

Tkachuk is one of the Flames most valuable assets- if you’re moving him it better be for long term solutions.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If Tre was offered Tarasenko and Kyrou/Thomas for Tkachuk and had accepted the deal, he'd look like a genius right now.

That's what I said, and it's true lol

Hardly "some pretty big conclusions"

I guess I got a little triggered because we are talking about a trade that was never rumored (Thomas/Kyrou names were not mentioned outside of Twitter/CP) and declaring after 15 games it would have been a genius move.

James Neal for Milan Lucic looked like a genius move for the first 35 games after the deal was made as well.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Uh huh. And I said they would be better with that offer that was floated, which is true. I didn't say it would have been done, or was offered, or refused. I said they would be better with the deal that was floated out there.

Honest question, who floated this rumor? I still haven't heard if this was an actual rumor, or fan speculation. I would just like to know if there was any actual smoke here, or if it was just someone trying to put two and two together.

Rightly or wrongly, the Flames seem to have gotten their backs up whenever someone in the media start making rumors about Tkachuk. Read into that what you will, but if you do take them at their word I don't think they have any interest in moving Tkachuk.

[GioforPM]

I don’t think the deal was floated anywhere except CP, because of the St.L connection, and the fact Tarasenko had had a miserable year.

[Heavy Jack]

Wasn’t it Andy Strickland? He’s a prominent source in the media for all things Blues and has had some information before on the Flames in the past so definitely not something that was formed out of thin air… that being said though after the whole Eichel fiasco and how Weekes threw Tkachuks name out there with little to no source confirmation it’s hard to trust much of what the media pushes out there most of the time anymore.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by bax

Kyrou started hot last season too with 18 points in his first 21 games.

Finished the season with 17 points in his next 34 games.

I wouldn’t bank on him sustaining this production.

People took issue with the main piece in a Tkachuk trade being an oft injured 30 year old 2 seasons away from UFA that the Blues quite literally couldn’t even give away.

If the Flames decided to trade Tkachuk I think the majority of fans would rather them target future pieces (picks and prospects) instead of stop gap solutions.

Tkachuk is one of the Flames most valuable assets- if you’re moving him it better be for long term solutions.

I just don't see the team willing to take a step back, even monetarily. Tkachuk has this year and next of team control left so if he were dealt, I could see players with similar term coming back in return.

But really, it's hard to tell what they are planning to do. With the team's results and the contract status of Gaudreau, Tkachuk and Mangiapane I have thought a deal was round the corner for quite some time.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don’t think the deal was floated anywhere except CP, because of the St.L connection, and the fact Tarasenko had had a miserable year.

Shane O'Brien had floated the idea one day on NHL Network. I'm sure he was just theorizing but he said he'd heard Matthew wanted out of Calgary.

[Knut]

Now I want Pavelski. Thanks Guys.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Shane O'Brien had floated the idea one day on NHL Network. I'm sure he was just theorizing but he said he'd heard Matthew wanted out of Calgary.

Well, that’s pretty much nothing. But say, “Matt wants out” was true, and it could well be. The whole rest of it is him saying “well, what could work in a trade”? And the only reason Tarasenko was mentioned was because he supposedly needed a change of scenery (which was untrue it seems).

That all said, I sure hope Tkachuk’s not untouchable and if there’s a reasonable offer they should take it - I just think his contract situation is untenable.

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1460677725908353025

I saw a proposal earlier around Valimaki for Vilardi, which I think might have some merit.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

https://twitter.com/user/status/1460677725908353025

I saw a proposal earlier around Valimaki for Vilardi, which I think might have some merit.

Thought the issue with Vilardi was his skating, and that it might be bad enough to keep him from ever being a full time NHL player.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Shane O'Brien had floated the idea one day on NHL Network. I'm sure he was just theorizing but he said he'd heard Matthew wanted out of Calgary.

From what I recall SOB said on his podcast that he had heard Tkachuk wanted to play in the US with a preference for St. Louis. He then speculated it would be 'Tarasenko, but the Blues would have to add' (I'm paraphrasing here). I do not recall him saying anything about Kyrou or Perunovich.

Maybe he continued to speculate on the NHL network or Strickland had something more reliable, but I also do not recall this being discussed in detail this past offseason. If it were a legitimate rumor I tend to think this specific topic would have had its own thread and it would be a two or three hundred posts deep by now and probably on the first page of this forum.

Where I think this whole discussion is a bit unfortunate is that people say/read this and then turn it on the Flames for not pulling the trigger on something that, I bet, was never was on the table. It's an empty criticism and consistent with the other instances of people making things up for the more gullible among us to lap up.

[Monahammer]

I really like the idea of Valimaki-Vilardi.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I really like the idea of Valimaki-Vilardi.

I'm intrigued too.

Both guys that have showed flashes, both missed pretty much an entire year of development due to injury, and both have stalled out a little bit on their current teams.

My only hesitation is that I think in scenarios like this the young d-man probably breaks out a bit later than the young forward in terms of development curves.

[Heavy Jack]

Wow LA missed on Necas and Suzuki who are both right handed centres drafted right after Vilardi…always crazy looking back at drafts with hindsight and seeing details like that.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by shutout

Thought the issue with Vilardi was his skating, and that it might be bad enough to keep him from ever being a full time NHL player.

I think the bigger issue is that he has had back problems which have made him rather contact-avoidant, and the Kings have kept him exclusively at centre with some... limited linemates.

His skating is probably in that same tier as Monahan and Tkachuk, which isn't something you want to load your roster with, but a couple guys like that on separate lines isn't the end of the world.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Wow LA missed on Necas and Suzuki who are both right handed centres drafted right after Vilardi…always crazy looking back at drafts with hindsight and seeing details like that.

One of my favourite things to do as a fan. Looking back on drafts is always wild.

[1qqaaz]

I think many of us thought that Necas and Suzuki were better than Vilardi back then, and many of us are right.

Suzuki in particular shouldn't have fallen like he did.

[MikeMc]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I think many of us thought that Necas and Suzuki were better than Vilardi back then, and many of us are right.

Suzuki in particular shouldn't have fallen like he did.

Well la-di-da pro scouts over here.