I Kind of figured if the Flames were in deep for Eichel, Mangiapane would have to have been in the package for any real serious inroads to be made.
If anyone could Fault Tree for anything it's his or his groups penchant for overvaluing his players too much.
I mean, I'd have been perfectly happy moving Mangiapane in an Eichel deal. Like I said, to me it was the most logical path to a deal to be made.
But if this place is this bummed out now, it'd be just as, if not more of a bummed out space if they dealt the golden child of the Flames. Sounds hyperbolic I know, but eat bread is a fan favorite. To the point that ppl would be seriously down trodden about using him to get a broken Eichel.
I dont fault Treliving for this miss. It was always an uphill battle to mitigate risk vs reward and find the sweet spot. Pair that with the old adage "it takes two to tango" and the Sabers just absolutely railroading themselves into Krebs and Tuch, it would have taken a lot more than the Flames and the majority of fans were comfortable with parting for the Elite #1 C so many have been clamoring for.
Tuch had more points last year...Flames fans might think so but league wide it would probably be close
Also, Tuch is from the area and wanted to be there...probably not something Buffalo sees a lot of
Mangi is a RFA after this year no?
To be fair it was one point.. and over the past two seasons Mangiapane has been the clearly more productive player. Mangiapane also doesn't come with injury concerns - and has shown a consistently upwards trajectory which has led into this season with 8 points in 10 games. Tuch on the other hand has seen his production decline/and or plateau.
I think Mangiapane has more than established himself as an incredibly valuable asset league wide by this point.
Change Pelletier to Zary, and the 1st to 2022 and that's probably the ask from Buffalo.. which I have no problem with Treliving walking away from. That's a significant overpayment.
Change Pelletier to Zary, and the 1st to 2022 and that's probably the ask from Buffalo.. which I have no problem with Treliving walking away from. That's a significant overpayment.
Exactly. I'm am perfectly fine with the Flames not getting there.
Flames are better off in the long run with Zary , Coronoto and Pelletier in the mix.
Just have to wonder how Tree dances around the big FA issues this coming offseason.
Change Pelletier to Zary, and the 1st to 2022 and that's probably the ask from Buffalo.. which I have no problem with Treliving walking away from. That's a significant overpayment.
I question if that even gets it done given how much they seemed to want Krebs.
This, from the guy who is critical of the Flames/Treliving for not trading Tkachuk for Tarasenko, Kyrou, and Puchen-something....
Critical? Screw you. I stated this would be a package that would have put the team in a way better position. The fact you don't know who Scott Perunovich is, or can spell his name, is a statement on you, and your disconnect from the game. Perunovich would immediately be our best prospect, and it isn't even close. Bone the hell up on your knowledge of other organizations, or STFU.
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I question if that even gets it done given how much they seemed to want Krebs.
I agree - all depends on how they value Monahan.
If they see Monahan as a cap dump that is only worth a 2nd round pick they can flip with retention then its:
Monahan (2nd)
Zary
Mangiapane
2022 1st
vs
3rd
Krebs
Tuch
2022 1st
And if they like Krebs/Tuch better than Zary/Mangiapane then you're not going to win that deal.
Honestly if the rumor of 3 top prospects, 1st, Monahan is true then I think Treliving had a pretty good offer out there and Buffalo just really wanted Krebs/Tuch.
Impossible to know for sure thought without knowing what the offer actually was.
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Mangiapane is better than any piece Buffalo acquired for him.
Personally I like Mangiapane more too, and he has the better underlying metrics.
But let's be serious here...NHL GMs are going to value the 6'4" former 1st round pick over the 5'10" 6th round pick. Especially when both of their actual goal/points stats are pretty much identical last season. Add in Tuch's ties to Buffalo area and not shocking to see why they'd value Tuch more than Mangiapane.
My gut here is that it's actually Lindholm as the piece that Buffalo wanted from Calgary as their comparable to Tuch...and I don't think Treliving was doing that with top prospects on top of it.
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Critical? Screw you. I stated this would be a package that would have put the team in a way better position. The fact you don't know who Scott Perunovich is, or can spell his name, is a statement on you, and your disconnect from the game. Perunovich would immediately be our best prospect, and it isn't even close. Bone the hell up on your knowledge of other organizations, or STFU.
This exactly, I’d much rather have this package then Tkachuk. Tkachuk isn’t worth 9 mil a year.
Critical? Screw you. I stated this would be a package that would have put the team in a way better position. The fact you don't know who Scott Perunovich is, or can spell his name, is a statement on you, and your disconnect from the game. Perunovich would immediately be our best prospect, and it isn't even close. Bone the hell up on your knowledge of other organizations, or STFU.
Now the next issue is I don't see how the Flames keep both Tkacguk and Gaudreau moving forward. One of them has to go in a cap world and not becoming top heavy. Top heavy heavily invested in winger spots at that.
I apologize for this debate, which stemmed from the fact I disagreed that simply being in the HOF automatically made a player “elite”.
Debates about who is elite are just like who is a generational player. Impossible to do, because there’s no definition.
What a weird thing to nitpick. I guess you can parse words but I can’t think of any existing acknowledgement of “elite” that is more recognized than the HHOF.
IMO you want to debate whether a player was elite, you should start with the HHOF status. Visit the HHOF some time and you will see plaques for a whole bunch of elite players.
Enough time wasted on this needless argument though.
