[News] Quenneville resigns as Head Coach of the Panthers.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Weitz

It just seems so crazy to me. Almost makes me think the players didn't know. Or didn't know the full extent.

I'm not sure of the timing of when Beach said "everybody knew". If you believe the players who've talked they didn't know until after the cup and after he was gone, so there was no one to go and escort out of the office. I suppose they then said "it's handled", shrugged their shoulders and moved on.

My complaint about guys like Toews aren't so much what happened then, it is what is happening now - the denials followed by character defences for Bowman et al.

ETA: I suppose the story about Q trying to avoid "distractions" actually supports the notion that the players weren't aware until after the playoffs. Mission accomplished Q.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Weitz

It just seems so crazy to me. Almost makes me think the players didn't know. Or didn't know the full extent.

Or they didn’t care, especially when they make comments then next year at training camp asking if he misses his boyfriend.

It is vile disgusting garbage. To say they didn’t know is fraudulent, the magnitude of the fraud is what is debatable.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I'm not sure of the timing of when Beach said "everybody knew". If you believe the players who've talked they didn't know until after the cup and after he was gone

this piece (among others) clearly states everybody knew during the cup run:

They spent a full week in San Jose, with four off days before the series began.

It was then, at the team hotel and local bars, that word spread among the players that two teammates had accused video coach Brad Aldrich of sexual assault, alleging that he got them drunk and tried to perform oral sex on them.

“Every guy on the team knew about it,” one player on the 2010 team told The Athletic. “Every single guy on the team knew.”

https://theathletic.com/2672134/2021...exual-assault/

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by devo22

this piece (among others) clearly states everybody knew during the cup run:


https://theathletic.com/2672134/2021...exual-assault/

Thanks.

[Fan in Exile]

Quennville's initial reaction was bad enough. I guess to some small extent I could fathom that he was single-minded about winning the Stanley Cup but as others and I have said, why would it sidetrack the team to remove a coach that was alleged to have sexually assaulted a young player?

What makes him completely unsympathetic though is that he was happy to have Aldrich celebrate with the team, wrote a positive evaluation letter after the playoffs were over congratulating him for winning the Cup, and then denied knowing anything about it right up to now. Thete's really no evidence that he's remorseful or has learned anything from this.

I don't want to debate whether he's a monster but he utterly failed as a person in a position of authority. In my view, he'd have to display a remarkable change of heart and perspective to merit even another chance to coach, let alone coaching kids.

[ben voyonsdonc]

Originally Posted by renny

Not only did he do nothing, he put the value of winning a stanley cup over the wellbeing of someone who had been sexually assaulted

He also gave Aldrich a glowing job evaluation (with no mention of at the time were allegations of his behaviour) AFTER the allegations and he left the team. Inevitably that helped him get a positive reference and allowed him to work with younger hockey players and caused them to be put at risk.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

For the record that was a Warrener comment, and not mine.

For sure and I heard that too.

That part of it crossed my mind too but I hope Warrener and others don't really focus on that.

He was just a video coach.
He was just one of the Black Aces.

That is not a good road to go down IMO.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Again, this misses the point completely. They weren't trying to protect the coach, they were trying to protect the team brand and avoiding a distraction from their cup run. That is what they prioritized over helping Beach and removing Aldrich. If they could have put Aldrich in a bag and sunk him to the bottom of Lake Michigan never to be spoken of again, I'm sure they would have, but that would cause people to ask questions, and that would result in a story. They were trying to avoid the story.

No one outside the organization is paying attention to the video coach. They could have easily put him on leave pending an investigation and there wouldn't have been any kind of media coverage.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't really like the "he was just a video coach" line of thinking personally.

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

For sure and I heard that too.

That part of it crossed my mind too but I hope Warrener and others don't really focus on that.

He was just a video coach.
He was just one of the Black Aces.

That is not a good road to go down IMO.

I wanted to know more about this, because frankly, I am astounded.

Because...he was 'just the video coach.'

I cannot fathom sticking my neck out for anyone in this capacity. I cannot wrap my head around it.

"Hey coach the video coach is sexually assaulting the players..."

- "I see. Well. Fire him and while he's cleaning out his locker call the cops. And tell Bill that he's the new video coach."

Whats he going to do? Sue you for improper dismissal? In what universe?

I get where you're going, obviously we shouldnt diminish the severity of the act depending on who committed it or upon whom it was perpetrated.

I just cannot wrap my head around the mental gymnastics required for so many people to bend themselves so out of shape to hide this guy. The only thing I can think of is that he knows where a few more embarrassing skeletons are hidden?

I never thought I would say this, I never thought these words would ever be uttered by a sane, reasonable and rational person.

And yet here we are....so here goes....

"I agree with John Tortorella."

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by transplant99

But his best take was....why didnt some one, ANY one, with the team just call the police and let things take their course from there? That's the single oddest thing to me and the one aspect none of them can have any deniabiity about.

The same reason most sexual assault victims and those who know don't come forward; a sense of shame. The idea that what happens behind closed doors is no one's business except for those behind the doors. A sense of failure; to protect, to stop it from happening, etc. The idea he may have deserved it as was stated by the mental health coach even. Toxic masculinity.

So many reasons.

For all the SJW out here, in reality most people take a "not my business, not my problem" approach to things like this.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FireFly

The same reason most sexual assault victims and those who know don't come forward; a sense of shame. The idea that what happens behind closed doors is no one's business except for those behind the doors. A sense of failure; to protect, to stop it from happening, etc. The idea he may have deserved it as was stated by the mental health coach even. Toxic masculinity.

So many reasons.

For all the SJW out here, in reality most people take a "not my business, not my problem" approach to things like this.

But he says he tried. He says he tried getting his Union involved. Don Fehr's feet are going to start burning pretty quickly.

By all accounts it does not appear that he kept this a secret out of shame. They are saying that all of the players, coaching staff and management were aware of the situation.

Which again circles me back to...."why didnt they just call the Cops and then check the resume stack for a new video coach?"

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Locke

I just cannot wrap my head around the mental gymnastics required for so many people to bend themselves so out of shape to hide this guy. The only thing I can think of is that he knows where a few more embarrassing skeletons are hidden?

I think it is just about the toxic culture of loyalty within hockey circles. Maybe it is almost an instinctive thing for these guys to circle the wagons for ANYONE in a coaching or management position?


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[Locke]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think it is just about the toxic culture of loyalty within hockey circles. Maybe it is almost an instinctive thing for these guys to circle the wagons for ANYONE in a coaching or management position?


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I dont know, I never played hockey. Most of the time I hated my coaches.

I do know that when I was coaching there was that fierce loyalty from my players...but even then, that only extends to a certain point.

They're not robots, they're still humans.

I cant envision a 'fierce loyalty' like that.

Which again, I'm admitting to having difficulty understanding this.

And to have written him a letter of recommendation? To Coach High School kids? Holy sweet Hell.....

[Ryan Coke]

The other issue is how ‘reliable’ the story is and the evidence behind it. And I am speaking in general terms. If there is an accusation against a co worker by another co worker, and higher ups have been made aware, and I have trust that those higher ups are dealing with things appropriately (including going to the authorities), that is going to impact my actions.

I always hope for justice, not for or against one side. I rely on the people who have the details and evidence to make the call, because I can’t make any judgement based on rumour and speculation.

So is it really a culture of silence and old boys club, or is it a bunch of employees who don’t know the details, who have trusted their superiors whose job it is handle it properly and who have way more information then they have.

Again, I don’t know the details of how it all played out, but that is far more likely than everyone in the organization deciding that they didn’t care about sexual abuse.

[FireFly]

Originally Posted by Locke

But he says he tried. He says he tried getting his Union involved. Don Fehr's feet are going to start burning pretty quickly.

By all accounts it does not appear that he kept this a secret out of shame. They are saying that all of the players, coaching staff and management were aware of the situation.

Which again circles me back to...."why didnt they just call the Cops and then check the resume stack for a new video coach?"

Who should have called the cops? It definitely was the team's responsibility to deal with it internally, but most people aren't willing to involve the police if the person who should involve the police hasn't done so themselves.

As an assault victim myself, I told the people who I thought could deal with it for me. They also did not call the cops. Is that their fault or mine?

[CSharp]

LOL, Bennett with another coach gone! Not his fault but man, how seems like a turnstile with him on the team! Oh oh, here's another mega thread coming!

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Or they didn’t care, especially when they make comments then next year at training camp asking if he misses his boyfriend.

It is vile disgusting garbage. To say they didn’t know is fraudulent, the magnitude of the fraud is what is debatable.

This is disgusting!!! Who ever said that should be out of the league!

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by CSharp

LOL, Bennett with another coach gone! Not his fault but man, how seems like a turnstile with him on the team! Oh oh, here's another mega thread coming!

I'm sorry but this is stupidly inappropriate, making joke about this? Gross!!!

[GioforPM]

Remember how freakin' happy we all were when Chicago beat the Canucks in those POs?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FireFly

Who should have called the cops? It definitely was the team's responsibility to deal with it internally, but most people aren't willing to involve the police if the person who should involve the police hasn't done so themselves.

As an assault victim myself, I told the people who I thought could deal with it for me. They also did not call the cops. Is that their fault or mine?

I really dont know. I definitely dont think its not their fault and I really dont want to get into 'victim blaming' but the victim is going to have to stand up and speak at some point.

I guess the ambiguity is what makes these cases so difficult. I just have a really hard time with letting it slide and not only that, but giving the guy a reference, from a reputable NHL franchise to coach a High School hockey team!

Fox in the henhouse...