[Signing] Flames sign Dube (3 yrs, $2.3 mil AAV)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by 868904

Can't' the Ducks take on that salary pretty easily?

If the Ducks include one of Zegras/Drysdale and the 2023 1st round pick and whatever other scrubs, I think that's probably deal the Sabres want.

Zegras/Drysdale are bluechip prospects and that 1st round pick has a high chance of being a top 3 pick.

Every other team probably needs to send cap back or out to make it work but I think the Ducks don't have to. They also have a bunch of quality veterans who are UFA who they could easily move to make more cap space if needed.

If the Ducks were offering that, I think the deal would be done.

the Sabres are way below the floor and either need to take salary back in the Eichel deal, or make other deals to acquire salary (likely both)

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

How many franchise altering moves just weeks before training camp has any single team made?

This only further illustrates my point. Not too many GMs looking to do their biggest work a few weeks out from camp, especially when it changes the entire composition of the team.

By this stage rosters are ~95% set, with tweaks as far as things like PTO's.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

This only further illustrates my point. Not too many GMs looking to do their biggest work a few weeks out from camp, especially when it changes the entire composition of the team.

By this stage rosters are ~95% set, with tweaks as far as things like PTO's.

No, it simply fits your narrative

[howard_the_duck]

I'm not picking on Flames management. I don't see your angle.

[GioforPM]

It's of course, a different year than normal. Everyone lost about a month of the usual period between the draft and also the UFA day and the season opener. Plus there was an expansion draft which gummed things up.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I'm not picking on Flames management. I don't see your angle.

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I can't see it at this point. Historically too, how often have we seen franchise altering moves for this team just weeks before training camp?

Okay cool.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I can't see it at this point. Historically too, how often have we seen franchise altering moves for this team just weeks before training camp?

Well not often but arguably the last time was with Sutter involved. Langkow was acquired in late August, for Gauthier and Saprykin. and then he was traded for Stempniak at a similar time.

Before that, Gilmour/Hunter/Bozek, I suppose. Before that, Macrimmon.

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Their situation is not that bad.

Removing Klefbom (LTIR), Stalock (3rd G) and Lagesson (8th D), leaves them with $2.45M for Yamamoto.

Take out McLeod (and go with 22 man roster) and they have $3.287M for Yam

Am I missing something or is my math not right somehow...

$84,723,968

$3,223,968 over cap

$3,200,000 Klefbom

$23,968 over cap

$785,000 Stalock

$761,032 under cap

$725,000 Lagesson

$1,486,032 under cap - still not enough

$834,167 McLeod

$2,320,199 under cap - I don't think that signs Yam (maybe for a 1 year bridge)

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Okay cool.

It is an all GM thing. Which I said above...

You're lumping me into the criticize Flames management at all costs audience. Not the point I'm trying to make.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well not often but arguably the last time was with Sutter involved. Langkow was acquired in late August, for Gauthier and Saprykin. and then he was traded for Stempniak at a similar time.

Before that, Gilmour/Hunter/Bozek, I suppose. Before that, Macrimmon.

Here's hoping there is more lifting to be done. Agreed on the shortened offseason factor that's affecting things as well, which skews the data.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

It is an all GM thing. Which I said above...

You're lumping me into the criticize Flames management at all costs audience. Not the point I'm trying to make.

Eichel and the flat cap combination is a weird enough situation that there could be some decent roster turnover across the league as there have been rumblings Buffalo would take roster players to flip to other teams if Eichel is traded. If the roster is set it is disappointing as I was hoping for few more changes in the forward group but feels more and more likely every day Eichel is a Sabre. At least the Flames haven't traded substantial futures.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by JackIsBack

Am I missing something or is my math not right somehow...

$84,723,968

$3,223,968 over cap

$3,200,000 Klefbom

$23,968 over cap

$785,000 Stalock

$761,032 under cap

$725,000 Lagesson

$1,486,032 under cap - still not enough

$834,167 McLeod

$2,320,199 under cap - I don't think that signs Yam (maybe for a 1 year bridge)

Klefbom is $4,167,000

[JackIsBack]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Klefbom is $4,167,000

Oh... yes... thanks! I was using Kassian's Cap Hit.

[Canada 02]

another view, although I prefer JFresh

https://twitter.com/user/status/1431008204348084227

[GioforPM]

I appreciate these advanced stats displays. However, it’s important to note what they are (which is a picture of how the player has performed in the recent past) and not how he will perform going forward, sometimes in a new situation. Tanev’s stats are an example, and I’d think this is even more so with a young guy still learning the ropes, like Dube.

[Flamesfan05]

I have high hope for Dube

But I also had high hope for Bennett, so what do I know…

Or maybe I know something ��

[Lanny_McDonald]

This is a "potential" deal, a la Sam Bennett. Dube has to live up to the expectations of the deal or he'll be gone. I believe he'll hit the mark.

[442scotty]

If Dube can stay away from concussions he’s gonna be a good one.

[wired]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

I have high hope for Dube

But I also had high hope for Bennett, so what do I know…

Or maybe I know something ��

I think we will finally see the full potential of Sam Bennett now. He will be used in a top 6 role all the time, and flourish

[Fire]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

If Dube can stay away from concussions he’s gonna be a good one.

That is my biggest concern about him. I think Dube will be a good middle 6 forward if he can stay healthy.