Seven Days in Kabul

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

At this point we should be making it clear to the Taliban we will pay for our people, 5000 bucks a head, paid upon delivery and only if they haven't been harmed

Yes let's definitely not only incentivize hostage taking but also directly fund the Taliban. Fantastic idea.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yes let's definitely not only incentivize hostage taking but also directly fund the Taliban. Fantastic idea.

so just let them die then, thousands of them

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Between the debacles in Afghanistan and China these are not proud days for Canada.

Maybe our most shameful as a nation and who is in charge?

If re-elected-a MASSIVE indictment on Canada and all Canadians and would be the epitome of disgusting for this country.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Maybe our most shameful as a nation and who is in charge?

If re-elected-a MASSIVE indictment on Canada and all Canadians and would be the epitome of disgusting for this country.

You sure about that?

Like, top of my head, cultural genocide/residential school system and putting Japanese Canadians in internment camps. Easy answers, I’m sure there are more.

Not saying this is not terrible, but cool the dramatics. Canada carries plenty of shame to fill history books.

[PeteMoss]

How do we have thousands to people there to pull out? Obviously not the greatest source, but wikipedia says we sent around 3000 soldiers. Did we really have that many translators?

[Geraldsh]

The translator global interviewed has a wife and six children to be saved as well ; it all adds up.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You sure about that?

Like, top of my head, cultural genocide/residential school system and putting Japanese Canadians in internment camps. Easy answers, I’m sure there are more.

Not saying this is not terrible, but cool the dramatics. Canada carries plenty of shame to fill history books.

Yes but also not to downplay this moment which is the culmination of terrible Liberal performance on the foreign policy - sorry, Global Affairs - file.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

How do we have thousands to people there to pull out? Obviously not the greatest source, but wikipedia says we sent around 3000 soldiers. Did we really have that many translators?

Embassy staff too I think.

[CaptainCrunch]

And we're outta there at the end of the month, but things are winding down. We might get a couple of thousand more out, but the rest are being encouraged to head for the border.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

The translator global interviewed has a wife and six children to be saved as well ; it all adds up.

What does this mean?

[CaptainCrunch]

Probably not a good look for a cabinet member at a press conference calling the taliban our brothers in the Taliban. No Maryam Monsef, they are not our brothers. And they're already on a murder spree, that's not going to change

https://twitter.com/user/status/1430540669265797122

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Probably not a good look for a cabinet member at a press conference calling the taliban our brothers in the Taliban. No Maryam Monsef, they are not our brothers. And they're already on a murder spree, that's not going to change

https://twitter.com/user/status/1430540669265797122

Yeah. While they're busy murdering our friends.

[peter12]

This government’s foreign policy has just been a colossal disaster.

[Ducay]

I'd say the US and Canada both really bunged things up. At least Canada isn't taking any victory laps.

Thought this tweet was a great analogy for the Afghan pullout:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1430502009464107011

[Itse]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

How do we have thousands to people there to pull out? Obviously not the greatest source, but wikipedia says we sent around 3000 soldiers. Did we really have that many translators?

These rescue missions include families, that adds up quickly.

For example, Finland just released a statement that they will still try to rescue the locals who were employed by the Finnish embassy, which was pretty small. The list is still 180+ people.

(Finland like almost every western country abandoned their non-Finnish staff at the first stage of the rescue, and this statement only came after they were publicly shamed in our local media.)

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I am not at all surprised that the locals were caught off guard - they didn't know the extent and suddenness of the exit that was to come. But Biden certainly did, and Trudeau presumably had some information about what the US was going to do. So failure to foresee this and ensure that it wasn't a cluster**** is absolutely something he should be criticized for harshly.

I have a hard time criticizing Biden specifically for this. It's more like the Afghans made the whole western military decision making apparatus a global laughing stock.

Let's remember, the speed of the Taleban takeover did not catch only the US off guard, pretty much every western embassy was caught in the same mess. All of them have (or should have) their own analysts and foreign affairs experts and decision makers, who (theoretically) all make their own evaluations independently. For the smaller countries pulling their people out early would have been fairly easy, had they both predicted the development correctly and reacted to it in a timely fashion. I haven't read of any country that did that.

The exact same criticism that's been thrown at Biden and the US military intelligence is being thrown around everywhere. Germans, French and Brits are scrambling with their rescue operations just like the Americans.

Obviously a lot of people were also NOT caught by surprise, but at this point it's difficult to say who did the evaluation right and who just made a lucky guess that proved right in hindsight.

Personally I'm thinking that this was probably harder to predict the higher up the political hierarchy you are.

[Manhattanboy]

Our brothers the Taliban.

Oh brother.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Don’t Muslims call each other brothers and sisters?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ducay

I'd say the US and Canada both really bunged things up. At least Canada isn't taking any victory laps.

Thought this tweet was a great analogy for the Afghan pullout:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1430502009464107011

Sure they have, with government pictures of planes arriving in Canada and planes leaving afghanistan, and tweets crowing about how miraculous and awesome this effort has been. Its been there, the DND is releasing pictures, various ministers.


Oh and last flight is tomorrow.



Lots of people abandoned, there should be no victory lap for this one, no mission accomplished, Maybe a big placard, "Hey sorry bout your damn bad luck"

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Probably not a good look for a cabinet member at a press conference calling the taliban our brothers in the Taliban. No Maryam Monsef, they are not our brothers. And they're already on a murder spree, that's not going to change

https://twitter.com/user/status/1430540669265797122

yes but if you are asking them directly not to murder our people calling them murdering scumbags probably isnt the best tactic either, she was making a direct plea as a Muslim to Muslims to try and save lives, she is no doubt aware this would cost her politically at home but she still did it, that's actually kind of admirable

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Don’t Muslims call each other brothers and sisters?

I posted a column by a former Afghan female refugee. Its a term of respect between Muslim males in Afghanistan.



Here's the article


https://torontosun.com/opinion/colum...box=1629925750

As a Canadian who moved to this country as an Afghan refugee, I want to be very clear, there is no cultural context in which calling the Taliban “brothers” is acceptable. Words carry meaning, and meanings imply moral positions.

To call someone “brother” in Afghan culture is to recognize a mutual deep respect for them. It’s an endearing term to recognize a male friend as more than a friend, someone you’d take a bullet for. It is to validate the essence of that person and acknowledge the principles by which they live. The people of Afghanistan do not call the Taliban their “brothers” unless it is the Taliban themselves. To address a terrorist group — one that beheads Hazaras, Shia-Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus and many other minority groups — as your “brother” is to turn a blind eye on decades of war crimes committed by the Taliban.