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Old 08-18-2021, 12:50 PM   #821
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I mean you could have just reposted the article he linked. It had all the information in it. It's actually quite hilarious.

This topic makes me wonder how many pro diseasers are not pro choice.

"My body, my choice!"

Unless you're pregnant, then #### you.
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Old 08-18-2021, 12:52 PM   #822
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One again, if there was no debate. Why is there a video debating it? I personally had someone do some work on my house years ago and he was telling me about how his son got autism after getting vaccinated. Whether or not it's true, he believes it, because he's living it. I could hear the heartbreak and anger in voice. Would he debate this? absolutely.
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One again, if there was no debate. Why is there a video debating it? I personally had someone do some work on my house years ago and he was telling me about how his son got autism after getting vaccinated. Whether or not it's true, he believes it, because he's living it. I could hear the heartbreak and anger in voice. Would he debate this? absolutely.
But that doesn't make it so.........I mean if you don't understand that then yeah you are a lost cause.
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One again, if there was no debate. Why is there a video debating it? I personally had someone do some work on my house years ago and he was telling me about how his son got autism after getting vaccinated. Whether or not it's true, he believes it, because he's living it. I could hear the heartbreak and anger in voice. Would he debate this? absolutely.
There is also a debate whether the earth is flat or not. I would still make the statement there is no debate on the shape of the earth.
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I simply cannot believe there are morons out there linking vaccines to autism. It blows my mind.

Congratulations. Jenny McCarthy and Oprah have formed your opinion on the health of your kids.

High five.
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It's been debated over the years and a quick google search of "Vaccine linked to Autism" will provide thousands of websites with information on this. If there was no debate, then nothing would come up when searching right? Maybe a video will help you better.

Did you really just link a video about Andrew Wakefield.....trying to prove your point? bahahaha!

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btw websites come up when searching that "the earth is flat".....That must mean it's still a logical debate according to you, correct?
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Amazingly, of the hundreds of thousands of posts in the Covid forum this expert has none. We could have had Covid and Autism solved had they just found the right outlet.
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Did you really just link a video about Andrew Wakefield.....trying to prove your point? bahahaha!



btw websites come up when searching that "the earth is flat".....That must mean it's still a logical debate according to you, correct?
I just about died falling out of my chair in my office when I saw that he had linked a 60 minutes "documentary" from Andrew "FKN" Wakefield.

I've officially seen it all now.
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One again, if there was no debate. Why is there a video debating it? I personally had someone do some work on my house years ago and he was telling me about how his son got autism after getting vaccinated. Whether or not it's true, he believes it, because he's living it. I could hear the heartbreak and anger in voice. Would he debate this? absolutely.
I can debate that we are living in a computer simulation but that doesn't mean it is a real valid debate. People naturally search for causations rather than deal with the fact that life can be random and cruel. Easier to try and find a concrete thing to blame so it doesn't feel like some random cosmic slap in the dick.
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It's definitely not worth your time to respond to the other things I've mentioned because fact is we have over a 99% chance of beating Covid and fetus cells are used in vaccines. Keep getting those booster tho shots bud.
Nothing you mentioned is worth anyone’s time. Every single thing you have said is wrong and has been debunked. The onus is on you to provide evidence to us. You don’t. You just continue the tired old anti-Vax tropes.

You have the burden of proof to show us the evidence that what you think is correct. Where is it ? You just ignore any evidence anyone here has provided to counter your point. So now it is your turn.
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Great, can you provide me with the data on the long term side effects?
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One again, if there was no debate. Why is there a video debating it? I personally had someone do some work on my house years ago and he was telling me about how his son got autism after getting vaccinated. Whether or not it's true, he believes it, because he's living it. I could hear the heartbreak and anger in voice. Would he debate this? absolutely.
This is moronic reasoning. You can find videos on the internet discussing/debating anything. Taking any of this nutjob pseudoscience stuff seriously shows a fundamental flaw in your ability to reason.
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Old 08-18-2021, 01:27 PM   #835
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A tweet: Says “CDC COVID-19 survival rates” are 99.997% for people ages 0 to 19, 99.98% for people ages 20 to 49, 99.5% for people ages 50 to 69, and 94.6% for people over 70."

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Screenshots of the tweet were also shared on Facebook and Instagram, where they were flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed.

The age-specific "survival rates" listed in the post did not come from the CDC, however. CDC spokesperson Jasmine Reed told PolitiFact that the agency has not released any age-specific COVID-19 survival rates, nor does it have mortality rates available.
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"Natural immunity" is not very effective vs. the variant strains
Lol.... I just check backed here.... I have no intention on educating the people here that belong to the educational dictatorship.

But... just so I understand, you, or the person you're quoting, are suggesting that someone who has "natural immunity" (not sure why it's in quotes - but just copying your style) where their immune system can recognize all 29 proteins on the COVID19 virus has inferior immunity to someone who has been vaccinated with the mRNA vaccine where there immune system can only recognize one (the spike protein) out of those 29 proteins and they have superior superior immunity. Give your head a shake.... so a hockey score of 29-1, the 1 wins in your world. When the COVID19 virus mutates (like in the delta strain)... all 29 proteins would have to change (be mutated) in order for the natural immunity to be completely ineffective, only one protein changing significantly would make the vaccine immunity ineffective... and guess what protein is different in the Delta strain... the spike protein?

I don't think we need to bash vaccines in general, but the mRNA vaccines have never worked widely in the real world before this one, it's a miracle. In the history of viruses.... and vaccines.... we have a vaccine that is better than natural immunity.... this has never occurred before in the history of vaccines... but continue your trek down the path of absurdity. I think if you're right, the pharmaceutical companies need to go back and redesign all the vaccines from chicken pox to measles, all the way down because if they are truly better - why can't we re-vaccinate the world here - and I can buy their stocks because you'll buy the vaccines - right?
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How dare they use cells from the 1970's to create modern medicine. Those cells could turn into healthy babies any day now, give them a chance damnit!
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Lol.... I just check backed here.... I have no intention on educating the people here that belong to the educational dictatorship.

But... just so I understand, you, or the person you're quoting, are suggesting that someone who has "natural immunity" (not sure why it's in quotes - but just copying your style) where their immune system can recognize all 29 proteins on the COVID19 virus has inferior immunity to someone who has been vaccinated with the mRNA vaccine where there immune system can only recognize one (the spike protein) out of those 29 proteins and they have superior superior immunity. Give your head a shake.... so a hockey score of 29-1, the 1 wins in your world. When the COVID19 virus mutates (like in the delta strain)... all 29 proteins would have to change (be mutated) in order for the natural immunity to be completely ineffective, only one protein changing significantly would make the vaccine immunity ineffective... and guess what protein is different in the Delta strain... the spike protein?

I don't think we need to bash vaccines in general, but the mRNA vaccines have never worked widely in the real world before this one, it's a miracle. In the history of viruses.... and vaccines.... we have a vaccine that is better than natural immunity.... this has never occurred before in the history of vaccines... but continue your trek down the path of absurdity. I think if you're right, the pharmaceutical companies need to go back and redesign all the vaccines from chicken pox to measles, all the way down because if they are truly better - why can't we re-vaccinate the world here - and I can buy their stocks because you'll buy the vaccines - right?
Do you want to try using your natural immunity the next time you need anti-biotics as well?
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"However, Pfizer and Moderna did perform confirmation tests (to ensure the vaccines work) using fetal cell lines. And Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development, confirmation and production."
https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/yo...ed-fetal-cells

Riiiiight!
Confirmation tests =/= fetal cell lines in the vaccine. Fetal cell lines =/= fetal cells in the vaccine. It’s right beside the part you quoted Are you pretending to be thick or is it natural?
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Lol.... I just check backed here.... I have no intention on educating the people here that belong to the educational dictatorship.

But... just so I understand, you, or the person you're quoting, are suggesting that someone who has "natural immunity" (not sure why it's in quotes - but just copying your style) where their immune system can recognize all 29 proteins on the COVID19 virus has inferior immunity to someone who has been vaccinated with the mRNA vaccine where there immune system can only recognize one (the spike protein) out of those 29 proteins and they have superior superior immunity. Give your head a shake.... so a hockey score of 29-1, the 1 wins in your world. When the COVID19 virus mutates (like in the delta strain)... all 29 proteins would have to change (be mutated) in order for the natural immunity to be completely ineffective, only one protein changing significantly would make the vaccine immunity ineffective... and guess what protein is different in the Delta strain... the spike protein?

I don't think we need to bash vaccines in general, but the mRNA vaccines have never worked widely in the real world before this one, it's a miracle. In the history of viruses.... and vaccines.... we have a vaccine that is better than natural immunity.... this has never occurred before in the history of vaccines... but continue your trek down the path of absurdity. I think if you're right, the pharmaceutical companies need to go back and redesign all the vaccines from chicken pox to measles, all the way down because if they are truly better - why can't we re-vaccinate the world here - and I can buy their stocks because you'll buy the vaccines - right?
Don't be afraid to learn something. Not only is your understanding of spike proteins and the way vaccines work completely off, but your conclusions are naturally off because of it.

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A key issue as we move closer to ending the pandemic is determining more precisely how long people exposed to SARS-CoV-2, the COVID-19 virus, will make neutralizing antibodies against this dangerous coronavirus. Finding the answer is also potentially complicated with new SARS-CoV-2 “variants of concern” appearing around the world that could find ways to evade acquired immunity, increasing the chances of new outbreaks.

Now, a new NIH-supported study shows that the answer to this question will vary based on how an individual’s antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 were generated: over the course of a naturally acquired infection or from a COVID-19 vaccine. The new evidence shows that protective antibodies generated in response to an mRNA vaccine will target a broader range of SARS-CoV-2 variants carrying “single letter” changes in a key portion of their spike protein compared to antibodies acquired from an infection.

These results add to evidence that people with acquired immunity may have differing levels of protection to emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants. More importantly, the data provide further documentation that those who’ve had and recovered from a COVID-19 infection still stand to benefit from getting vaccinated.
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