2021/2022 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[Toonage]

I'm not saying the Flames shouldn't try for him, but put me in the camp that is leery of his condition and would like to see the Flames limit what they spend on him if this comes to pass. Giving up (for example) 2 of your last 3 first round prospects and another 1st round pick is short sighted.

[CliffFletcher]

The Flames are in win now (next 2-3 seasons) mode. Prospects who are further out, like Coronato, will have less value to them than Pelletier or Zary, who can more realistically expect to be in the lineup during that window.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I'm not saying the Flames shouldn't try for him, but put me in the camp that is leery of his condition and would like to see the Flames limit what they spend on him if this comes to pass. Giving up (for example) 2 of your last 3 first round prospects and another 1st round pick is short sighted.

Futures are what the deal is going to be centered around though unless Adams gets desperate. Roster player, Pelletier, Coronato, and a 1st is a no brainer to me but I also think that most teams have a Pelletier and Coronato level prospect in their system. If the roster player is Tkachuk then less futures are needed but I can't see Tkachuk signing long-term in Buffalo and doubt he would a centerpiece.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

It's not about what I would do. I dont care about Eichek so much to throw the entire team at Buffalo to get him.

Use some common sense thinking and break down the organizational depth and tell us how many Coronoto types players they have. Answer is none. And even then, the Flames can still deal from better positions of strength with other equal prospects.

Trading Coronto just isn't in the cards if you actually think things through. Even if you don't place a value on things like RHS or RW.

This crazy feeding frenzy of Eichel-mania around here has made ppl mad.

think again.

Something that I think should be taken into account here is what is Treliving's motivation to make this move? The popular, or at least the loud, opinion on this board over the past 4-5 months is that Treliving should have been fired by now. He's had seven years, the team is no better than it was when he came aboard, on and on....

I argued that Treliving was not going to get fired this offseason because he was in his first year of a three year extension, we are coming off of a year of zero gate revenues (firing management and replacing them is very expensive), and this offseason was going to be a pivotal one where significant changes to the roster was required. The last point being what is worth noting here. despite my defense of him, I suspect Treliving doesn't have much tread left on the tire. One more underperforming/disappointing season and that could be it for Tre. I'm not sure how the Flames wouldn't make a move at that point. Organizations are much more likely to fire coaches or managers with one year left on the deal, this happens with regularity. Less often is it that coaches/managers are fired with multiple years left on their contract. In other words, the time is now for Treliving. It is time for his home run cut at it and the Flames have positioned themselves to do it. Many complained at the draft and the outset of the FA window about the lack of activity from the Flames, but I would bet that has to do with the Flames targeting Eichel. They want to give themselves the best chance they can to acquire Eichel.

My bet is Treliving is not going to be timid to leverage future assets for the here and now. It could flop and send them down the road to a rebuild, or vault them into contender status. If including Coranoto in the deal gets it down, I don't think there will be much hesitation from this management group.

[Flamesfan2010]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Sorry folks, Coronoto is not a trade piece. Stop. Just stop it.

If it gets the Flames Jack Eichel, he is…..


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[Da_Chief]

The Toronto Blue Jays just traded Austin Martin, who they drafted 5th overall last year for immediate help. Many thought he was untouchable and steal of the draft but he was the asking price and they went for it. Eichel is the same thing, if Coronato is the asking price, you do it to get an elite center.

[Jay Random]

If it's Coronato or no deal, you trade Coronato. If it's Coronato or another prospect drafted in the first round, you have to trade Zary or Pelletier first. RHS RWs are unicorns these days.

[AC]

Coronato is nicknamed the Bison after all...

The pieces are falling into place.

[DJones]

I still think Zary should be ahead of Coronato but not a big deal either way, similar trade value imo.

If it's for Eichel, he's on the table.

[Knut]

Any prospect you trade to Buffalo is just going to be ruined anways. No matter who you deal they wont pan out and develop proper.

[alan21]

This is how Tre should be when he's discussing Eichel with Buffalo.
Take whatever you need to get it done yesterday!

[TOfan]

Also worth noting that the concern raised that Coronato is a RHS and therefore should not be traded shouldn't mean too much given that Eichel is also a RHS.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by alan21

This is how Tre should be when he's discussing Eichel with Buffalo.

Take whatever you need to get it done yesterday!

No. That's a terrible idea.

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[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I'm not saying the Flames shouldn't try for him, but put me in the camp that is leery of his condition and would like to see the Flames limit what they spend on him if this comes to pass. Giving up (for example) 2 of your last 3 first round prospects and another 1st round pick is short sighted.

What if these mid round picks turn out to be Baertschi's or Backlund's or even worse? Nothing wrong with that for mid round picks and that would actually be great for mid round picks. However, that just means more roster players and no stars to push them over the edge as the the current stars age out... its a recipe for 8th place unless they are truly rebuilding and drafting top 5.

They are not going to money puck, run the table and get all hits on all their picks to create the critical mass of talent needed. I like our scouts but lets be realistic what are the odds they get a true 1c to compete with the Avs or even Florida out of mid round picks before the rest of the team ages or caps out? We might get one 1st line player out of this mid round pick crop in the next 3 to 5 yrs. What are the odds they are better than Eichel? For once they need to nut up and go for it if they refuse to rebuild properly for top 5 picks.

[shotinthebacklund]

Originally Posted by alan21

This is how Tre should be when he's discussing Eichel with Buffalo.
Take whatever you need to get it done yesterday!

Cant tell if you are referencing being a wizard or leaving the cupboards bare...

[Toonage]

Its acting like the Flames have a farm system full of prospects and that giving up a few of them is no big deal. Like they don't need to keep adding to it. Add a broken Jack Eichel, stop drafting and watch this current team sink or swim. Like if it fails, the team just ceases to exist. Oh well, they took their shot, Eichel couldn't play, the team is awful.

People are so jacked (pun intended?) that they're not thinking straight.

Trade a 1st? Fine. I get that. Its been done before. Trade two 1sts? Thats getting a bit dumb. Trade a 1st, and 3 top prospects? They only have 3. Thats pretty dumb. Trade all that and a roster player? Christ you'll be setting up an environment worse than Buffalo for the guy to play in.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Its acting like the Flames have a farm system full of prospects and that giving up a few of them is no big deal. Like they don't need to keep adding to it. Add a broken Jack Eichel, stop drafting and watch this current team sink or swim. Like if it fails, the team just ceases to exist. Oh well, they took their shot, Eichel couldn't play, the team is awful.

People are so jacked (pun intended) that they're not thinking straight.

Trade a 1st? Fine. I get that. Its been done before. Trade two 1sts? Thats getting a bit dumb. Trade a 1st, and 3 top prospects? They only have 3. Thats pretty dumb. Trade all that and a roster player? Christ you'll be setting up an envrionment worse than Buffalo for the guy to play in.

I dont really know what the ask is but Coronato is not untoucable which is what got me on my rant. Im not trading the whole farm.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Its acting like the Flames have a farm system full of prospects and that giving up a few of them is no big deal. Like they don't need to keep adding to it. Add a broken Jack Eichel, stop drafting and watch this current team sink or swim. Like if it fails, the team just ceases to exist. Oh well, they took their shot, Eichel couldn't play, the team is awful.

What on earth are you talking about? Tbe Flames are only a few months away from breaking ground on a half-billuon dollar new building in Calgary. They are not suddenly going to shrug their shoulders and fold the franchise, no matter what happens with Jack Eichel.

Trade a 1st? Fine. I get that. Its been done before. Trade two 1sts? Thats getting a bit dumb. Trade a 1st, and 3 top prospects? They only have 3. Thats pretty dumb. Trade all that and a roster player? Christ you'll be setting up an environment worse than Buffalo for the guy to play in.

Sure, I get that. But far and away most fan proposals are not that rich, and there is no way the Flanes or any team will be spending those kinds of assets. I just don't see that this is anything to worry about.



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[868904]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Its acting like the Flames have a farm system full of prospects and that giving up a few of them is no big deal. Like they don't need to keep adding to it. Add a broken Jack Eichel, stop drafting and watch this current team sink or swim. Like if it fails, the team just ceases to exist. Oh well, they took their shot, Eichel couldn't play, the team is awful.

People are so jacked (pun intended?) that they're not thinking straight.

Trade a 1st? Fine. I get that. Its been done before. Trade two 1sts? Thats getting a bit dumb. Trade a 1st, and 3 top prospects? They only have 3. Thats pretty dumb. Trade all that and a roster player? Christ you'll be setting up an environment worse than Buffalo for the guy to play in.

I think those who are ok with dealing the 4 futures are of the thinking that the reality is, likely only 2 of those 4 will amount to anything.

So you are really trading 2 assets for 1. There's risk on both sides, there's risk that Eichel can't get back to 100%, but there's also risk that the futures won't be anywhere near as good as Eichel at 75% or 100%.

You also can't just ignore that those future assets are further away from making an impact, you have to discount that in the valuation. By the time those 4 assets contribute meaningfully, the current core may not be around or as impactful as they are now.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

What on earth are you talking about? Tbe Flames are only a few months away from breaking ground on a half-billuon dollar new building in Calgary. They are not suddenly going to shrug their shoulders and fold the franchise, no matter what happens with Jack Eichel.

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Sure, I get that. But far and away most fan proposals are not that rich, and there is no way the Flanes or any team will be spending those kinds of assets. I just don't see that this is anything to worry about.

Not actually folding but just trying to illustrate the short sightedness of trading off picks & prospects. Just feels like people don't care what happens after all of this.


I feel like I've seen combos that crazy. I've seen people suggesting Tkachuk or Monahan, Zary, Pelletier, a 1st, etc. Its nuts.