Friedman: Flames have begun extension talks with Gaudreau & Eichel speculation

[Burning Beard]

I posted similar in the Coleman thread but I really would prefer this team to go all out and get Eichel versus sticking with this stale core.

If it doesn't work out then do the tear down rebuild when Sutters contract runs out.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Is Tkachuk even gonna be an 80-90 point player to justify his contract? There is always risk

I'd say at 70+ points Tkachuk's contract is justified. If Tkachuk put up 90 points while distracting other teams with his pestiness, that would put him on the level of Brad Marchand. Despite Marchand's critics, he's the reason the Bruins are always in the conversation as contenders.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Monahan + 2022 1st + Zary/Pelletier

If that doesn’t get it done, which it won’t, walk away.

If you add in Dube I think that’s a reasonable offer. I agree, Buffalo’s price is way too high obviously so that won’t get it done right now. But I figure this trade makes it so the flames and Buffalo share the risk of teller injuries to each player. There’s a real chance neither player ever returns to the quality of player they were. There’s a chance Monahan bounces back and eichel is a shadow of his former self in which case Buffalo looks really good in this deal. If eichel ends up returning to form but Monahan doesn’t, the flames end up looking good in the deal but gave up 3 young, cost-controlled players (Dube, Pelletier/Zary, and the player from the first round pick) that have a ton of potential. Both Monahan and eichel could return to their former selves and the flames will have given up a 60-70 point center for an 80-90 point center along with the majority of the young prospects/players that the team has to offer.

Again, I think that’s a reasonable offer/deal. I don’t think Buffalo will take it. At least not right now.


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[activeStick]

Finally got to view some of Eichel's highlight packages. Really accurate shot and drives the play on his line. Sign me up!

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I posted similar in the Coleman thread but I really would prefer this team to go all out and get Eichel versus sticking with this stale core.

If it doesn't work out then do the tear down rebuild when Sutters contract runs out.

The Flames have to put forward a serious offer for Eichel. I'll be very upset if this turns into another...they asked for X prospect/player, but the organization didn't want to give him up.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by 868904

Eichel has no say.

The notion that in 2021 star NHL players under contract have no say in where they play is nonsense. Laine, Dubois, Jones. Even unproven guys like Fox can force the hand of the team that owns their rights.

The whole reason Eichel is being traded is because he won’t play for the team that currently owns his rights. He absolutely has a say in whether he plays in Calgary.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by blankall

I'd say at 70+ points Tkachuk's contract is justified. If Tkachuk put up 90 points while distracting other teams with his pestiness, that would put him on the level of Brad Marchand. Despite Marchand's critics, he's the reason the Bruins are always in the conversation as contenders.

Marchand has a 6M cap hit not 9M

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by _Q_

So a top line scoring winger that has never elevated his game when needed the most, a bottom pairing defenceman with his own health issues that may never amount to much and a first round pick who may potentially turn into a Jack Eichel, or may turn into Emile Poirier, Sven Baertschi or Greg Nemisz is too much for one of the top 10 Centres on the planet?

spin it how you want, but yes that is too much for a player that costs $10M and has significant risks

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Finally got to view some of Eichel's highlight packages. Really accurate shot and drives the play on his line. Sign me up!

Is unreal what the guy can do. A laser accurate shot. Anyone trying to compare Monahan to Eichel, just watch one small snippet of his highlights.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The notion that in 2021 star NHL players under contract have no say in where they play is nonsense. Laine, Dubois, Jones. Even unproven guys like Fox can force the hand of the team that owns their rights.

The whole reason Eichel is being traded is because he won’t play for the team that currently owns his rights. He absolutely has a say in whether he plays in Calgary.

What makes you think he won't play in Calgary?

I would assume that he has indicated that would be happy to play for the Flames. Otherwise, why would they pursuing him this hard at this point?

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

spin it how you want, but yes that is too much for a player that costs $10M and has significant risks

I would just say that look at where being risk adverse has got this team. I would rather they roll the dice and see where they land with Eichel. At least it is something different than trotting out the same old core again and again.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

I would just say that look at where being risk adverse has got this team. I would rather they roll the dice and see where they land with Eichel. At least it is something different than trotting out the same old core again and again.

They could become the next Buffalo! What a wonderful change that would be!

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

spin it how you want, but yes that is too much for a player that costs $10M and has significant risks

I mean agree to disagree I guess. Keeping our middling players in order to continue this franchises decline into mediocrity is fine for some. Just sign a few more Colemans and Pitlicks for added depth and we should be good to go.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

They could become the next Buffalo! What a wonderful change that would be!

Yes, but at least they will have tried.

But really, if that's what it turns into then so be it. Can't fault them for trying to go for the home run even if it ends in a strikeout.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

They could become the next Buffalo! What a wonderful change that would be!

Do you see that happening adding a number one center under the coaching of Darryl Sutter? I sure don't. Even if it does, then you have a good enough idea that the team is broken and it's time to tear it down.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Karl

Yes, but at least they will have tried.

But really, if that fails then it fails but you can't fault them for trying to go for the home run even if it ends in a strikeout.

If we spend big assets on Eichel and he can’t return to his self it significantly sets this franchise back, over a decade I would guess. Best case is he would be on LTIR. Worst case he plugs along at 50-60 pts.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

But you can’t send top tier prospects and futures for a guy like that. We are highly underestimating his injury status. Keep hearing the same surgery as Peyton Manning. Peyton Manning was a shell of his former self after the surgery. Widely documented that he had to get people to tie his cleats. Not saying not to add him, saying price has to be reflective of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_50

"After undergoing neck surgery that sidelined him for the 2011 season, Manning was released by the Colts and signed with the Broncos. Serving as the Broncos' starting quarterback from 2012 to 2015, he helped them clinch the AFC West each season and reach two Super Bowls. Manning's career ended with a victory in Super Bowl 50, making him the first starting quarterback to win the Super Bowl for more than one franchise."
By QB Rating he had his 2nd, 3rd, and 5th best seasons after the injury and surgery. Maybe not the best comparison.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by _Q_

What makes you think he won't play in Calgary?

I would assume that he has indicated that would be happy to play for the Flames. Otherwise, why would they pursuing him this hard at this point?

I’m not convinced he won’t play in Canada (though that would buck the trend we’re seeing in this league). My post was challenging the assertion that he has no say in where he plays. He does, because he can refuse to play or demand a trade from his destination. It sucks, but that’s the reality of the league today.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Do you see that happening adding a number one center under the coaching of Darryl Sutter?

I see that happening if you add a #1 centre and subtract four or five other pieces, as people are talking about doing. Especially if that #1 centre costs $10 million a year and plays after his surgery like a $7 million player.

I sure don't. Even if it does, then you have a good enough idea that the team is broken and it's time to tear it down.

So that's how to tell the team is broken: break it yourself! Brilliant.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The notion that in 2021 star NHL players under contract have no say in where they play is nonsense. Laine, Dubois, Jones. Even unproven guys like Fox can force the hand of the team that owns their rights.

The whole reason Eichel is being traded is because he won’t play for the team that currently owns his rights. He absolutely has a say in whether he plays in Calgary.

Fox had a loophole where he plays out university and gets to pick where he wants . As for Laine and Dubois I can almost guarantee they didn’t pick Columbus and Winnipeg as their trade destinations.