[Trade] Seattle trades Pitlick to the Flames for a 2022 4th round pick

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I wonder what it is like to read comments and see them as “rage”.

Very strange

lol

(for the record I didn't actually laugh out loud. It's almost like text comments can be exaggerated)

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Not all assets being the same. I traded my $2 million house for a $200,000 house, so they're the same thing. House=house. Doesn't work that way.
Martin Pospisil =/= Oliver Wahlstrom.

That's just simply a fact.

Seriously?

So I can't just trade a 6th round pick for a 1st round pick?

Thanks man ... had no idea that the picks at the top of the draft were worth more than picks at the bottom. If it wasn't for your non sarcastic level headed comparison of housing prices I'd be lost in the dark.

But in that period where he's up 2 picks and a prospect?

1st round =
2nd round +1
3rd round +3
4th round -2

So in your house thingy that's good right? More at the top and less at the bottom?

Patiently waiting your response.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Well if it's any consolation your comments always come off smarmy instead of angry.

It's the moustache.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I wonder what it is like to read comments and see them as “rage”.

Very strange

That's a sticky one for you huh? Always pushing back on it.

Honestly it just seems every move the team makes, or almost makes, or could make has a certain number of people rehashing every single Trelving argument over and over again.

It does look a bit pissy from my standpoint. Rage is a big word. Would blind pissiness be better?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Patiently waiting your response.

United already crushed your counting skills.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Bingo

The reality is +3 assets in the last three calendar years.

That's just simply a fact.

United already utterly destroyed your argument, so I won't pile on.

[Bingo]

No he didn't.

He went back further. The poster I was responding to said Treliving does it every year. I went back three ... wasn't true.

So no ... I don't feel crushed or utterly destroyed.

And his post was good for the overall body of work that I don't have a single problem with.

Keep on swinging Lanny

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That's a sticky one for you huh? Always pushing back on it.

Honestly it just seems every move the team makes, or almost makes, or could make has a certain number of people rehashing every single Trelving argument over and over again.

It does look a bit pissy from my standpoint. Rage is a big word. Would blind pissiness be better?

Nah. I see people are now crushing and destroying discussions

I guess I should try reading other people’s posts as if as soon as they stop typing, they flip the keyboard, go to the hallway and beat the hell out of a garbage can, Brent style

I find it odd but maybe it is actually happening. What do I know?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I literally went back three years of trades involving picks and prospects and they are +3 in that three year window.

Not really worth debating that.

Recent history doesn't have a bad UFA signing, and doesn't have a net picks out the door.

Why argue something that you can just look up?

Come on man, I know you don’t like me saying how bad the Flames are but fact is fact. Why look at trades, look at the number of picks they make

2020- 8 picks +1
2019 5 picks -2
2018 5 picks -2
2017 5 picks -2

Is that 3 out of the last 4 years in deficit?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

Well if it's any consolation your comments always come off smarmy instead of angry.

Like Eddie Haskell?

I don’t see it

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Nah. I see people are now crushing and destroying discussions

I guess I should try reading other people’s posts as if as soon as they stop typing, they flip the keyboard, go to the hallway and beat the hell out of a garbage can, Brent style

I find it odd but maybe it is actually happening. What do I know?

You don't find there's a negative pissy contingent on the site these days that is looking to be upset with literally everything that has, or could happen?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Come on man, I know you don’t like me saying how bad the Flames are but fact is fact. Why look at trades, look at the number of picks they make

2020- 8 picks +1
2019 5 picks -2
2018 5 picks -2
2017 5 picks -2

Is that 3 out of the last 4 years in deficit?

I say all the time the Flames are flawed, that I don't like their core. That I want change.

None of those fit your narrative of what I say.

I even say there are plenty of reasons to fire Treliving if that's the way you want to go.

I don't however think every move made, rumoured or contemplated is a sign that the GM has to go. It gets old.

And yes ... last three calendar years he's added two picks and a prospect. He's up a 2nd, up 3 3rd and down 2 4ths.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Bingo

You don't find there's a negative pissy contingent on the site these days that is looking to be upset with literally everything that has, or could happen?

Yeah, over half of the poll respondents think the GM should be fired and another quarter aren’t sure. That’s pretty indicative of the temperature

A lot of people probably struggle to be optimistic and I think it’s to the point that a big change has to happen to change sentiment.

I don’t even fault Tre for a lot of bets he has placed, but he’s not walking out of the casino with full pockets

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Yeah, over half of the poll respondents think the GM should be fired and another quarter aren’t sure. That’s pretty indicative of the temperature

A lot of people probably struggle to be optimistic and I think it’s to the point that a big change has to happen to change sentiment.

I don’t even fault Tre for a lot of bets he has placed, but he’s not walking out of the casino with full pockets

So the poll gives people permission to over-react to every move made and not made?

Actual discussion and debate is great. The constant snide remarks, "clever" jokes and outrage is what some are tiring of.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

So the poll gives people permission to over-react to every move made and not made?

Actual discussion and debate is great. The constant snide remarks, "clever" jokes and outrage is what some are tiring of.

Exactly.

Any one that knows me knows I don't want a site that only assumes every move is perfect from the team.

I'm an optimistic person that tends to see more upside in things in most aspects of life, but it's good to have a balance.

But it just seems that this vitriol has now crept into every single discussion on the site. Talking about the draft ... Flames will screw it up. Talking about free agency ... Flames always screw it up. "this would so be a Calgary Flame thing to do".

Can't we talk about the merits of a third line guy added to the team without an out and out brawl about how stupid the GM is, often by literally ignoring actual stats and history?

Tyler Pitlick and the value of a fourth round pick shouldn't cause such angst.

I'd assume most people coming here are fans of the team, shouldn't you let a little hope and happiness into this?

[DeluxeMoustache]

I get where you are coming from, Bingo. I find that while on one hand you have some negative sniping, the characterization of things as raging and then the cheerleading of arguments is a type of escalation as well. And all of the crush / destroy nonsense. That’s stuff I expect to hear from teenagers, but join dates would place some of these posters as getting a CP account infants, so that doesn’t make sense.

On track, I hope that Pitlick turns out to be effective like Stephane Yelle, if the Flames are going the direction of having a shutdown line

ES defensive numbers look promising but the PK numbers are curious, and the fact that he has bounced around a lot gives some pause

And a 4th round pick is a low cost, if the player turns out to be valuable

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I say all the time the Flames are flawed, that I don't like their core. That I want change.

None of those fit your narrative of what I say.

I even say there are plenty of reasons to fire Treliving if that's the way you want to go.

I don't however think every move made, rumoured or contemplated is a sign that the GM has to go. It gets old.

And yes ... last three calendar years he's added two picks and a prospect. He's up a 2nd, up 3 3rd and down 2 4ths.

Fair enough
I actually think you are a very reasonable guy to put up with all this

To me once the guy is fundamentally flawed, he needs to be replaced. Treliving has not done anything significant to change that view. Pitlick is not relevant.

As far as the post, context is everything. The guy said the Flames had surplus in the last 3 yrs. I simply pointed out that is not true based on the last 4 drafts.
Yes Treliving recovered some picks after we #### the bed but that’s not the post.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Come on man, I know you don’t like me saying how bad the Flames are but fact is fact. Why look at trades, look at the number of picks they make

2020- 8 picks +1
2019 5 picks -2
2018 5 picks -2
2017 5 picks -2

Is that 3 out of the last 4 years in deficit?

Again, you are ignoring the next 2 drafts where the Flames have a surplus of picks from trades that have already happened.

United's post looks further back, where yes, the Flames had a deficit of picks.

Bongo's point is that, more recently (i.e. the last 3 years), Treliving has not been trading at a deficit, and has actually been trading at a surplus (including value, not just numbers).

You keep arguing that the last few drafts have seen a deficit in picks. Yes, that is true and no one is disputing it, but you are missing the point because you are ignoring the surplus of picks that have yet to be realized but none the less exist.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Again, you are ignoring the next 2 drafts where the Flames have a surplus of picks from trades that have already happened.

United's post looks further back, where yes, the Flames had a deficit of picks.

Bongo's point is that, more recently (i.e. the last 3 years), Treliving has not been trading at a deficit, and has actually been trading at a surplus (including value, not just numbers).

You keep arguing that the last few drafts have seen a deficit in picks. Yes, that is true and no one is disputing it, but you are missing the point because you are ignoring the surplus of picks that have yet to be realized but none the less exist.

Thanked for clarifying.

And calling me Bongo

[Enoch Root]

lol

definitely not editing that!