Brad Treliving needs to go

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I don’t agree.

Francis doesn’t have a bad contract, has a team with size, speed, and compete, without any floaters. This is day 1, further transactions are coming, and he is clearly not done.

Well that's one way to spin it I guess. He picked several players that were "who?" level picks. Just some mind numbingly bad selections. The team could have been much better if he picked NHL talent instead of some guys that hope to be NHL bubble players some day. Even if he turned those players into draft picks through trades they would be better off.

Calgary only has 3 top 4 D at best right now, plus lack of depth at RW

Yup, we agree, the Flames are a hot mess. But Treliving did not have a free crack at taking a player from each team in the league, and managed to screw that up. Both teams have time to make changes and improve their roster. I think Seattle has a much easier go in fixing their roster, but it actually could have been that much easier if Francis hasn't whiffed on a few picks. Unless there are some significant assets coming his way tomorrow, he left some pretty good players that could have been used as assets to further improve the team. What would you say if Treliving selected Pitlick, Twarynski, Blackwell, Cholowski, Bayreuther, True, Quenneville, and Geekie? Good selections?

Also, of every single team in the NHL , Calgary got worse today than any other

No, that honor still goes to Edmonton. A team that didn't even have a three top four defensemen lost one AND signed Mike Smith to an extension. The Flames lost their captain, but according to the pundits this team was in dire need of new leadership. I think we will get over the loss of Gio quick enough.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

I don’t agree.



Francis doesn’t have a bad contract, has a team with size, speed, and compete, without any floaters. This is day 1, further transactions are coming, and he is clearly not done.

Oh, get real.

A full third of the names called today were ones that none of us had even heard before. We have absolutely no idea about the "speed!", "skill!" and "compete!" for a lot of these players.

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[gvitaly]

For everyone complaining about losing Gio for nothing - Treliving was also the one to sign Gio to that contract. The fact that the final year of the contract was valued by Seattle as a 1st and a 3rd means it was a pretty good contract. Gio was exposed because we also have 3 defenseman that are valued higher than that under contract for 3+ more years! That's not too bad...



So you're upset about not getting more assets, that's understandable. However, the teams that could protect Gio are mostly rebuilding teams. They don't need one year of Giordano, because their rebuilds are not yet over. The contending teams that could've used his services had to protect their own guys.


Look I get not giving Tre a free pass for everything... I have doubts about the direction of the team myself. That said, losing Gio resulted from multiple good managerial decisions. You gained assets for Bennett, whom you would've lost for free instead. You lost one year of a good defensman, who in my mind seemed slightly overpaid last year. What are you so sad about?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Oh, get real.

A full third of the names called today were ones that none of us had even heard before. We have absolutely no idea about the "speed!", "skill!" and "compete!" for a lot of these players.

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Get real? First, roughly a third of the names aren’t going to be on the roster, so we can focus on the known commodities for these purposes
How is Gio’s compete level?

McCann, Tanev, Jarnkrok, Gourde, Appleton, Dunn … if you watch hockey, you should see a trend emerging. Guys who are good teammates and have good compete levels. Geez. Even the mystifying choice of that plug McDermid is for somebody at least unpleasant to play against

Clearly he steered away from the guys with high ceiling but questionable commitment (and there were plenty), and definitely from overpaid contracts

Get real? You’re better than that

[GioforPM]

How does Eberle fit this analysis. I thought he was one of the least effective Isles.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How does Eberle fit this analysis. I thought he was one of the least effective Isles.

Wouldn't surprise me if that turned out to be one of the rumoured side deals. Maybe some other team wants Eberle enough to pay Seattle to draft him, but not enough to pay the Islanders' asking price?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

For everyone complaining about losing Gio for nothing - Treliving was also the one to sign Gio to that contract. The fact that the final year of the contract was valued by Seattle as a 1st and a 3rd means it was a pretty good contract. Gio was exposed because we also have 3 defenseman that are valued higher than that under contract for 3+ more years! That's not too bad...



So you're upset about not getting more assets, that's understandable. However, the teams that could protect Gio are mostly rebuilding teams. They don't need one year of Giordano, because their rebuilds are not yet over. The contending teams that could've used his services had to protect their own guys.


Look I get not giving Tre a free pass for everything... I have doubts about the direction of the team myself. That said, losing Gio resulted from multiple good managerial decisions. You gained assets for Bennett, whom you would've lost for free instead. You lost one year of a good defensman, who in my mind seemed slightly overpaid last year. What are you so sad about?

I'm upset that BT didn't move Gio for assets but you've made some very good points here.
Good post

[djsFlames]

p r o c e s s

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

For everyone complaining about losing Gio for nothing - Treliving was also the one to sign Gio to that contract. The fact that the final year of the contract was valued by Seattle as a 1st and a 3rd means it was a pretty good contract. Gio was exposed because we also have 3 defenseman that are valued higher than that under contract for 3+ more years! That's not too bad...



So you're upset about not getting more assets, that's understandable. However, the teams that could protect Gio are mostly rebuilding teams. They don't need one year of Giordano, because their rebuilds are not yet over. The contending teams that could've used his services had to protect their own guys.


Look I get not giving Tre a free pass for everything... I have doubts about the direction of the team myself. That said, losing Gio resulted from multiple good managerial decisions. You gained assets for Bennett, whom you would've lost for free instead. You lost one year of a good defensman, who in my mind seemed slightly overpaid last year. What are you so sad about?

Plus, any deal including Gio you essentially have to throw in Kylington or something comparable as well.

[Tiger]

Originally Posted by Boreal

Plus, any deal including Gio you essentially have to throw in Kylington or something comparable as well.

And if trading Gio for a pick last year then we lose somebody else in this draft. And trading gio last year means probably eating cap. This was a hard thing to do, unfavourable, but making the tough choice is probably a sign of a good gm not a bad one.

[Reign of Fire]

Saw this on Twitter or Instagram this morning, can't remember which now...

Credit to whoever made it...most likely a CP member



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[Icantwhisper]

I think we have to remember you don't just pick 30 NHLer's on one way deals, there are only 23 roster spots, picking an NHL player to assign to the AHL is not the right solution. I'm sure Francis has a plan and to evaluate the team based on just the draft is silly.
That being said there is a long way to go to start the season and I feel like the repeat of Vegas is not going to happen, Seattle will be a bubble team at best.
I fully believe that none of us know all the intricacies of filling out a roster, we all think it's EA Sports and you just pick whoever you want.
Picking a player to flip for a pick is great but what if you can't get any takers? Then you're stuck with a bad contract that handcuffs an expansion team, if I'm starting a team the last thing I want to do is have boat anchor contracts that cripple your ability to be flexible.
Maybe we give Seattle more than 24 hours to show us their plan?

[Firebot]

Treliving
Since the Carolina 2018 wizard trade.

Jul 22, 2021Discuss Trade
Calgary Flames Acquire:
Tyler Pitlick · $1,750,000

Seattle Kraken Acquire:
2022 4th round pick (CGY)

Apr 12, 2021Discuss Trade
Calgary Flames Acquire:
Emil Heineman · $0 (AHL/JR) (Signing Rights)
2022 2nd round pick (FLA)

Florida Panthers Acquire:
Florida Panthers
Sam Bennett · $2,550,000
2022 6th round pick (CGY)

Apr 11, 2021Discuss Trade
Calgary Flames Acquire:

2022 3rd round pick (TOR)

Toronto Maple Leafs Acquire:
David Rittich ($1,375,000 retained - 50%) · $1,375,000

Oct 6, 2020Discuss Trade
Calgary Flames Acquire:

2020 1st round pick (WSH - #24 - Connor Zary)
2020 3rd round pick (ARI - #80 - Jake Boltmann)

Washington Capitals Acquire:
2020 1st round pick (CAR - #22 - Hendrix Lapierre)

Oct 6, 2020Discuss Trade
Calgary Flames Acquire:
2020 1st round pick (CAR - #22 - Hendrix Lapierre)
2020 3rd round pick (NYR - #72 - Jérémie Poirier)

New York Rangers Acquire:
2020 1st round pick (CGY - #19 - Braden Schneider)

Feb 24, 2020Discuss Trade
Calgary Flames Acquire:
Future Considerations

San Jose Sharks Acquire:

Brandon Davidson

Feb 24, 2020Discuss Trade
Calgary Flames Acquire:
Erik Gustafsson · $1,200,000

Chicago Blackhawks Acquire:
Calgary's 2020 3rd round pick.


Calgary Flames acquire Date Los Angeles Kings acquire
Derek Forbort
February 24, 2020
2021 conditional 4th round pick


Buffalo Sabres acquire Date Calgary Flames acquire
Michael Frolik
January 2, 2020
2020 4th round pick

Calgary Flames acquire Date Edmonton Oilers acquire
Milan Lucic
2020 3rd round pick
July 19, 2019
James Neal

Calgary Flames acquire Date Los Angeles Kings acquire
Oscar Fantenberg
February 25, 2019
2020 conditional 4th round pick

Toronto Maple Leafs acquire Date Calgary Flames acquire
Morgan Klimchuk
November 27, 2018
Andrew Nielsen

Montreal Canadiens acquire Date Calgary Flames acquire
Brett Kulak
October 1, 2018
Rinat Valiev
Matt Taormina

Calgary Flames acquire Date Montreal Canadiens acquire
Kerby Rychel
August 20, 2018
Hunter Shinkaruk

Outside of the Neal Lucic mess that got started by Treliving to begin with, the biggest name coming back to the Flames in the past 3 years was Gustaffson, followed by Pitlick and Forberg...on a team that 2 years ago was 2nd in the league and expected to do a deep Stanley Cup run.

We have also lost Brodie, Giordano, Hamonic (dont get me started on that deal) in the process with zero return.

Big Deal Treliving

[GioforPM]

^^ conveniently starts after the Hamilton, Lindholm/Hanifin deals.

[Wastedyouth]

Could you imagine being so butt hurt after a 4th round pick is traded that this thread needs to be drummed up.

Haha.

[Sofa GM]

Treliving has his warts, but I watch what is going on up north and out west with Dim Jim and am thankful he is our guy. Not that those two fellas should be a watermark by any means…

[neo45]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

^^ conveniently starts after the Hamilton, Lindholm/Hanifin deals.

That cuts both ways

It also takes off his worst moves like Hamonic and Lazar

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

^^ conveniently starts after the Hamilton, Lindholm/Hanifin deals.

It has been 3 years, one division banner, one play in series win, 2 1st round exits and a playoff miss.

I was very much in the mindset that the core needed to be shook up after the bubble. In a sense it was because Markstrom and Tanev were UFA pieces signed that are both now part of the core where Brodie and to a lesser extent Hamonic walked.

I think many (myself included) are hoping for a big shift to the core to get a little more excited about the direction of the team. Johnny needs to be resolved and I think a shakeup trade or two should occur

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

Treliving has his warts, but I watch what is going on up north and out west with Dim Jim and am thankful he is our guy. Not that those two fellas should be a watermark by any means…

It’s not like we need to choose between three guys. I think everyone agrees we have the least bad of the three

But we could have Jeff Gorton like literally right now

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

^^ conveniently starts after the Hamilton, Lindholm/Hanifin deals.

And mentions players leaving for nothing, but not mentioning players like Tanev and Markstrom who were acquired for nothing.