[Rumour] Flames, Canucks, and Oilers are believed to be frontrunners for Zach Hyman

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1416107010819514370

It kind of sounds like Calgary is just making Edmonton pay more.

I highly doubt that. Calgary seems interested in him at the right price. Hope he prices himself out of flames budget. I like him but the rumoured dollars and term are nuts

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Rumour has it if Neal or koskinin aren’t taken in expansion they will be bought out

That would be sweet. $3.5 million in dead cap for the next 2 seasons, and about $2 million for the next 2 seasons after that. Womp womp.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I highly doubt that. Calgary seems interested in him at the right price. Hope he prices himself out of flames budget. I like him but the rumoured dollars and term are nuts

I'm not speaking of Calgary's intentions, rather, I'm speaking of their effects.

We know Treliving likes to poke his head into everything. And we know that when the Oilers fall in love with players they lose all rational thought.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That would be sweet. $3.5 million in dead cap for the next 2 seasons, and about $2 million for the next 2 seasons after that. Womp womp.

If the oilers resign smith buying out koskinen makes no sense unless Holland plans going on a spending spree. This could be fun to watch

I hope Hyman price gets pushed over $6 mil

If he’s screws it up Neal buyout is on the books until Draisaitl contracts expires.

[topfiverecords]

If the Oilers sign Hyman I will laugh uncontrollably and comment on it being a terrible overpay and too much term.

If the Flames sign Hyman, I will laugh uncontrollably and comment that he, like Markstrom last year chose the Flames instead and for less money.

[Vinny01]

I really hope this is Treliving sticking it to Holland for driving up the price of Markstrom last offseason. I think the Flames were likely hoping to go 5 years with Markstrom but the rumor the Oilers were preparing a 7 year deal the Flames had to up their offer.

Now I hope this forces the Oilers to go the full 7 years with Hyman at 6 per

[djsFlames]

Hahaha please let Edmonton go 6x7.

That would be even funnier than the Keith acquisition.

[direwolf]

It's amazing what players are willing to do for a big-ass pay check. I mean, sure it's a lot of money. But at this stage in their career, they've already made a bazillion dollars and their families, kids, and grandchildren are set for life. Who in their right mind would want to play for that tire fire for such an extended period of time? Not that the Flames or Canucks are a much better option these days, but Edmonton would be the absolute last place I'd want to sign if I were a UFA. Your chances of getting anywhere near a Cup with those clowns any time soon are basically zilch. And to top it all off, you have to live in Edmonton and spend a great deal of time there over the next several years. Yuck.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Hahaha please let Edmonton go 6x7.

That would be even funnier than the Keith acquisition.

I’d love treliving to offer 6 x 7 so Holland trades a 2nd to the leafs in a sign and trade deal at 6 x 8 years.

Holland has a ton of pressure to deliver to mcdavid his 2 year plan and players wanting to come to Edmonton are few and far between

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I’d love treliving to offer 6 x 7 so Holland trades a 2nd to the leafs in a sign and trade deal at 6 x 8 years.

Nah, I'm all about the big picture here. The Leafs might actually do something useful with a 2nd-round pick. As long as the Oilers keep it, we know it will be wasted.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

https://twitter.com/user/status/1416107010819514370

It kind of sounds like Calgary is just making Edmonton pay more.

Thomas drance said in an article on the athletic today that if deal got more than 4 or 5 years he wouldn't end up a Canuck most likely

So it seem Calgary and Vancouver are giving fair offers, and Edmonton is negotiating against themselves to see how high they can pay

[Muffins]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Thomas drance said in an article on the athletic today that if deal got more than 4 or 5 years he wouldn't end up a Canuck most likely

So it seem Calgary and Vancouver are giving fair offers, and Edmonton is negotiating against themselves to see how high they can pay

Edmonton proved with the Keith trade that that's what they excel at. I expect after hearing a report that Edmonton offered 6M per year, Edmonton outbids themselves with a 6.5 offer.

[browna]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Thomas drance said in an article on the athletic today that if deal got more than 4 or 5 years he wouldn't end up a Canuck most likely

So it seem Calgary and Vancouver are giving fair offers, and Edmonton is negotiating against themselves to see how high they can pay

For Lowe and the Oilers, it's 50% Lowe wanting to be part of a high profile UFA signing so he can smugly brag to the media that they beat out the Flames and Canucks and other if Hyman falls for the sales pitch like so many other players who don't think it's nearly as bad as other players say, but is.

The other 50% of the supposed interest is also to keep the McDavid camp somewhat satisfied that at least the organization are doing something. Somewhat surprised the Oilers haven't been linked to more players, though they do have Keith, but I assume that PR barrage happens next week when the drafts and UFA day are closer and higher profile.

[d_phaneuf]

Are we sure Lowe and Holland aren't negotiating seperately and keep driving the price up?

[Reggie Dunlop]

Originally Posted by d_phaneuf

Are we sure Lowe and Holland aren't negotiating seperately and keep driving the price up?

Katz on speakerphone.

[Hack&Lube]

With Tre's track record of older UFA signings, he will be overpaid, become an anchor, underperform, then have to be bought out

NO

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

With Tre's track record of older UFA signings, he will be overpaid, become an anchor, underperform, then have to be bought out

NO

I'm just hoping that that's a thing of the past.

The last two off seasons have been fine and last year's actually quite good ... older Tanev but hits it out of the park.

You'd have to think given the Brouwer and Neal debacles that they did some sort of a "how did that happen?" analysis.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm just hoping that that's a thing of the past.

The last two off seasons have been fine and last year's actually quite good ... older Tanev but hits it out of the park.

You'd have to think given the Brouwer and Neal debacles that they did some sort of a "how did that happen?" analysis.

I think with proven defensemen, you have less risk because even if they lose certain offensive abilities as they get older, they still have their hockey IQ and ability to make defensive plays.

With Tre's track record and what we've seen happen with older forwards is that they can have banner years and then suddenly completely dry up offensively which is what you pay a UFA first/second liner for.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm just hoping that that's a thing of the past.

The last two off seasons have been fine and last year's actually quite good ... older Tanev but hits it out of the park.

You'd have to think given the Brouwer and Neal debacles that they did some sort of a "how did that happen?" analysis.

I continue to think that Neal and Brouwer were the correct decisions, but executed with the wrong players. In other words, Treliving correctly identified a need and the price to be paid for such a need. But the players he picked were not what he projected. That’s scouting, not strategy. So, in getting Tanev and Markstrom in my opinion he was still correctly identifying a need and the price, but he did much better on player evaluation.

[Savvy27]

Alright, so I have been thinking about the Hyman vs Brouwer comparisons, because they worry me a lot given the Flames rumored interest in Hymen. I decided to take a closer look at the two by examining some of Hymen's career numbers so far and Brouwer's numbers prior to signing in Calgary.

While Zach Hyman did play for a strong Toronto team, he does not regularly play on the powerplay and has still managed to put up a nearly 60 point pace over the past two seasons. Troy Brouwer prior to signing in Calgary played for Washington for 2 seasons and St. Louis for 1. The Caps missed the playoffs with 90 points in 2013-14, but improved to 101 points the next season and the Blues were very strong with 107 points in his season there.

Hyman plays a bit more than Brouwer did (18:23 vs 17:47). Hyman's PDO is also a little better, so you could say he is luckier, but I would note that the difference lies more in the team save percentage than shooting percentage, so it doesn't seem to be a reflection of his scoring being lucky.

Overall, Hyman's numbers in the past 3 seasons are almost universally better than Brouwer's numbers in the 3 seasons prior to his disastrous time in Calgary. He scores more, his underlying numbers are better, he gets a lot more shots, and he is a touch younger and has only played a bit more than half the NHL games that Brouwer had at that point.




Lastly, taking a look at the player's season immediately before moving as a UFA, Hyman clearly had a much better season.



Hopefully this post is some useful food for thought. I doubt it changes much though, because even if it is far less likely that Hyman would have an immediate drop off like Brouwer, if he is given a 6+ year long contract the concerns about having to buy him out are still pretty legitimate. He would definitely help the team out for the next few years though.