Seattle Expansion Draft Speculation

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ro

Good article:

THW’s Ultimate Mock Expansion Draft: Meet Our Seattle Kraken

Excerpt:

If BT makes that side deal he should be fired immediately.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I just can’t see how the flames would protect Gio over Tanev . If they make a side deal at the very least it would cost is a 2nd round pick. I would have to think Seattle would want a first to protect him. That’s a non starter , even with Sutter “win now”. If I had to guess it would cost a 2nd , prospect , and whoever Seattle ends up taking. An example would be 2nd round pick , Phillips, and Kylington. That’s far to much and not worth it. Thank Gio for his hard work and time with flames, and send him to Seattle.

It seems like a lot, but in reality it isn't horrible.

The 2nd round pick is the most valuable of those assets.

Phillips and Kylington are basically fungible prospects.

For example, a first round pick would have more value. And what Gio would be expected to fetch at the trade deadline.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I just can’t see how the flames would protect Gio over Tanev .

If they make a side deal at the very least it would cost is a 2nd round pick. I would have to think Seattle would want a first to protect him.

That’s a non starter , even with Sutter “win now”. If I had to guess it would cost a 2nd , prospect , and whoever Seattle ends up taking. An example would be 2nd round pick , Phillips, and Kylington. That’s far to much and not worth it. Thank Gio for his hard work and time with flames, and send him to Seattle.

Agreed, Flames won't protect Gio over Tanev, when the lists are released this Saturday it will show Gio is un protected.

I sure hope they don't send a 2nd and prospect Seattle to have them pick someone else

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If BT makes that side deal he should be fired immediately.

Who would fire him? And why?

The owners hired Sutter in an attempt to win now. That deal would actually help them win now. BT would just be following the stated direction of the team as laid out by his bosses.

Now you may not agree with the direction of the team, but that's not our decision. I personally think that should start a tear down. But that's not happening (not yet anyway).

Once you've accepted the fact they are going to try to win now, keeping Gio around for another year is easier to accept.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Who would fire him? And why?

The owners hired Sutter in an attempt to win now. That deal would actually help them win now. BT would just be following the stated direction of the team as laid out by his bosses.

Now you may not agree with the direction of the team, but that's not our decision. I personally think that should start a tear down. But that's not happening (not yet anyway).

Once you've accepted the fact they are going to try to win now, keeping Gio around for another year is easier to accept.

It makes no sense when you can ink Ryan Suter or someone else for half Gio's salary and keep those assets we need. If the Flames are trying to win now they need a culture change in that room, that starts with moving the captain who has led his team to zero success down the road. If the owners want the Flames to win now they should encourage BT to leave Gio exposed.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It makes no sense when you can ink Ryan Suter or someone else for half Gio's salary and keep those assets we need. If the Flames are trying to win now they need a culture change in that room, that starts with moving the captain who has led his team to zero success down the road. If the owners want the Flames to win now they should encourage BT to leave Gio exposed.

Yes, I know they are dumb hockey people but they can look it up. What does winning now have anything to do with Gio?

Dude has been with the Flames for 14 yrs and they won 1 playoff series with him?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It makes no sense when you can ink Ryan Suter or someone else for half Gio's salary and keep those assets we need. If the Flames are trying to win now they need a culture change in that room, that starts with moving the captain who has led his team to zero success down the road. If the owners want the Flames to win now they should encourage BT to leave Gio exposed.

I’m beginning to loathe this idea that the team needs a “culture change”.

You know what they need? More talent. More speed.

“culture change” is how you justify signing players like Troy Brouwer.

You want a culture change? Hire a legit NHL coach. Which is exactly what Tree did when he brought in Sutter. That was the “culture change”. Now it’s about constructing a significantly better roster than we had last season - and I just don’t see how they do that by losing Giordano to Seattle.

(I don’t want them to spend assets to keep Giordano because I think this team should be tearing it down, but I think it’s pretty clear they’re not going to do that)

[sureLoss]

So far, Milan Lucic, Erik Johnson, and Jeff Skinner have agreed to waive their NMCs for the expansion draft.

Friday is the deadline for players to waive. Yesterday was the deadline for teams to ask players to waive.

[dammage79]

On Tim and Friends yesterday they seem to think Tree is gonna stand pat and let this ride out. Yikes.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dammage79

On Tim and Friends yesterday they seem to think Tree is gonna stand pat and let this ride out. Yikes.

That's the ideal course of action and would earn himself a bit of confidence from fans. Trading assets in hopes of keeping Gio would be so Calgary Flames.

[Ashasx]

The best thing is to do nothing. Don't give up a ton of assets when you're losing a piece anyway. Don't fall into the Vegas trap.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It makes no sense when you can ink Ryan Suter or someone else for half Gio's salary and keep those assets we need. If the Flames are trying to win now they need a culture change in that room, that starts with moving the captain who has led his team to zero success down the road. If the owners want the Flames to win now they should encourage BT to leave Gio exposed.

I guess every team can ink Suter for $3M or so. There isn't many choices to sign this level dman for this price. Likley none actually.

He'll pick his team based on most money or best chance to win. And in the US.

Calgary will lose on all 3 of those choices.

[Enoch Root]

Generally, I would agree with the 'do nothing' stance.

But in the case of Giordano, I disagree. If the price (for the sake of argument) is Petterson and a 2nd, plus Kylington, that price can be more than recouped by trading Gio at the deadline - he is easily worth 2 2nds, maybe a 1st, depending on where the market is at.

So if you make the deal, you lose Kylington, Petterson and a 2nd, but then regain 2 2nds. Plus, you have Gio for 3/4s of the season.

If you do nothing, you lose Gio.

Option 1 is substantially better.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Generally, I would agree with the 'do nothing' stance.

But in the case of Giordano, I disagree. If the price (for the sake of argument) is Petterson and a 2nd, plus Kylington, that price can be more than recouped by trading Gio at the deadline - he is easily worth 2 2nds, maybe a 1st, depending on where the market is at.

So if you make the deal, you lose Kylington, Petterson and a 2nd, but then regain 2 2nds. Plus, you have Gio for 3/4s of the season.

If you do nothing, you lose Gio.

Option 1 is substantially better.

It passes the risk onto us that we can recoup from Giordano more than what we gave up to protect him (and we have to hope he doesn't get injured). If we are anticipating to trade him anyway (or at least, that it's likely the team misses the playoffs again - which I think it is), just get it over with now. I don't think Giordano will return two 2nd round picks in a trade.

I understand your stance, I just prefer the less risky option.

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It passes the risk onto us that we can recoup from Giordano more than what we gave up to protect him (and we have to hope he doesn't get injured). If we are anticipating to trade him anyway (or at least, that it's likely the team misses the playoffs again - which I think it is), just get it over with now. I don't think Giordano will return two 2nd round picks in a trade.

I understand your stance, I just prefer the less risky option.

Worst case is keep Gio for another 1st round exit which is the most likely scenario

[stemit14]

Is it possible to buy giordano out and just re-sign him after the expansion draft? Would the league allow that?

If so, the flames could buy him out and sign him to a 2 year deal. Protects him from expansion and the flames won’t have to give up any assets.


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[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by stemit14

Is it possible to buy giordano out and just re-sign him after the expansion draft? Would the league allow that?

If so, the flames could buy him out and sign him to a 2 year deal. Protects him from expansion and the flames won’t have to give up any assets.


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They did that with Stone but I don’t think the league was happy about that and also would Gio buy into that?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Generally, I would agree with the 'do nothing' stance.

But in the case of Giordano, I disagree. If the price (for the sake of argument) is Petterson and a 2nd, plus Kylington, that price can be more than recouped by trading Gio at the deadline - he is easily worth 2 2nds, maybe a 1st, depending on where the market is at.

So if you make the deal, you lose Kylington, Petterson and a 2nd, but then regain 2 2nds. Plus, you have Gio for 3/4s of the season.

If you do nothing, you lose Gio.

Option 1 is substantially better.

But doesn't that defeat the purpose?

If you keep Giordano it's because you're win now, and with that you need him for sure, but won't trade him at the deadline.

So it's one more year of Giordano (he could resign, but you won't get assets), and you give up Kylington, a 2nd and a decent prospect.

If Calgary was assumed to be out of the playoffs then I'd agree ... keep him and then move him for a first and you profit. They may not have that chance.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It passes the risk onto us that we can recoup from Giordano more than what we gave up to protect him (and we have to hope he doesn't get injured). If we are anticipating to trade him anyway (or at least, that it's likely the team misses the playoffs again - which I think it is), just get it over with now. I don't think Giordano will return two 2nd round picks in a trade.

I understand your stance, I just prefer the less risky option.

Disagree that it is less risky.

If you let Gio go, you either replace him with a UFA (risky), or you ice a team with a pretty bad D core.

If you keep him, the team either is in the playoff picture or you trade him. And yes, he easily gets you 2 2nds at the deadline. With salary retained, he gets you a very good return.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

But doesn't that defeat the purpose?

If you keep Giordano it's because you're win now, and with that you need him for sure, but won't trade him at the deadline.

So it's one more year of Giordano (he could resign, but you won't get assets), and you give up Kylington, a 2nd and a decent prospect.

If Calgary was assumed to be out of the playoffs then I'd agree ... keep him and then move him for a first and you profit. They may not have that chance.

As I just posted, if out of the playoff picture, you trade him.

If in the playoff picture, well, regardless of what fans want, that is the goal of the team. And if they let Gio go, they aren't making the playoffs.