[PST] Preliminary Round/Division semi-final: Jets vs. Oilers---Winniipeg sweeps series 4-0

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Well he did average a point per game this year.

Last year, it was 2.25 per game.

Johnny should be so invisible.

He didn't make the playoffs last year, they lost to the 12th place Hawks in the qualifying round. When you look at his actual playoff numbers they are okay but nothing incredible. Look at his ES points in the playoffs and it looks pretty bad, especially considering how much icetime he eats up.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hellebucyk had a .956 save percentage in the four games. The Oilers probably outplayed the Jets, like the Flames outplayed the Ducks in getting swept four years ago.

They got out goaltended.

Sure and (I know you aren't implying otherwise) Hellebucyk is a big part of the Jets team a just turned 28 Vezina caliber goalie


Smith wasn't even horrible but the Oilers asset management in net is not great with an overpaid weak backup and stringing together hope on a 39 year old never really elite goaltender

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

That's fair. One thing you want in terms of a generational player is that he makes the players around him better. In the playoffs I don't think that's the case with McDavid. You'd think they could drop any guy in there who can skate and he'd get a ton of points. It doesn't happen.

McDavid is an amazing talent, but it's not rare for these types of guys to often need very specific skillsets to excel with.

Crosby is no different. Pittsburgh has brought in tons of guys to play with him and it often hasn't worked. He just seems to do better with the Bryan Rust's and Pascal Dupois of the world.

McDavid still PPG for his career in the playoffs, so it's not like he's "Bad" but the game tightens up and slows down in the playoffs and that's not his game.

He excels off the rush with fast pace and on the Powerplay. In the playoffs odd man rushes and PP's dry up.

Honestly if I'm playing McDavid in the playoffs I just sit back when he's on the ice. To me his game on the cycle isn't amazing (partially because outside of Draisaitl he doesn't have skilled linemates to cycle with), and if you just don't let him hit you on the rush you will limit his effectiveness.

McDavid is the most prolific player in the game but Crosby and Mackinnon are more well rounded in their skillsets for sure.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

Crosby has 4th line grinder style with 1st overall generational talent. That's probably why he's so good in the playoffs and when compared against McDavid, you can see where the latter is lacking. He doesn't like the grinding/mucking up style of the playoffs. Crosby excels in it.

Very true.

You rarely see McDavid in a crowd for more than a fleeting second as he tries to slip through it.

Crosby is in the trenches pretty regularly.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So Pierre McGuire was on radio in Ottawa this morning and absolutely roasted the Oilers from top to bottom.

Of course PomPom Staples couldn't get to the keyboard fast enough to spin and defend every single point made. Its really embarrassing.

McDavid and Draisaitl are just fine defensively thanks very much. LOL

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...e-mcguire-hmmm

The fact is McDavid took a step up as a defensive player this year, improving his slot defence. Draisaitl is a strong defender when he puts his mind to it. I don’t know what did or didn’t happen with Yzerman, but McDavid and Draisiatl continue to progress as two-way players. I’d like to see them both centre their own lines, as that is how Edmonton will get the most out of both of them. I expect we’ll see much more of that in 2021-22.

this is a particularly new hot fresh take...we'll see... (and isn't 'when he puts his mind to it' part of the problem? presumably almost any NHLer , especially with size can be a strong defender when they put their mind to it?)

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Jacks

I would hope that Connor is calling his teammates and apologizing for yelling at them for half the game yesterday when once again it was him coughing up the puck leading to the GWG.

I assume he is sending out a group text of "Let's go....golfing"

He will buy each person one Smirnoff ice which will heal all wounds. Note, he won't "ice" his teammates, that would be funny. He will just order each of them a Smirnoff ice.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by bdubbs

Crosby has 4th line grinder style with 1st overall generational talent. That's probably why he's so good in the playoffs and when compared against McDavid, you can see where the latter is lacking. He doesn't like the grinding/mucking up style of the playoffs. Crosby excels in it.

Counterpoint: Patrick Kane and Nikita Kucherov are two of the most prolific playoff producers and neither is known for grinding.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Very true.

You rarely see McDavid in a crowd for more than a fleeting second as he tries to slip through it.

Crosby is in the trenches pretty regularly.

There are lessons here for the Flames, including the top line, IMO.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by looooob

The fact is McDavid took a step up as a defensive player this year, improving his slot defence. Draisaitl is a strong defender when he puts his mind to it. I don’t know what did or didn’t happen with Yzerman, but McDavid and Draisiatl continue to progress as two-way players. I’d like to see them both centre their own lines, as that is how Edmonton will get the most out of both of them. I expect we’ll see much more of that in 2021-22.

this is a particularly new hot fresh take...we'll see... (and isn't 'when he puts his mind to it' part of the problem? presumably almost any NHLer , especially with size can be a strong defender when they put their mind to it?)

Yup...he is great "when he puts his mind to it"....is just an amazing spin. That is quite literally the problem with both the MVP guys...they are not committed to 200' games and it was never as obvious as it was this last 4 games.

It is what we saw here with a couple guys the last 2 seasons. Our guys just dont have the same offensive chops so are rightfully blasted for it.

There just seems to be zero accountability among those who are tasked to hold the teams feet to the fire up North.

[Robbob]

Oilers are built for the preseason and regular season. It isn't a quick fix either.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Bingo

They got out goaltended.

And out-finished. Which is a strength of the Jets. They aren't really a possession team. They have a squad of killers. It was even more obvious with Laine, but still.

There are multiple ways to win and this one isn't a very reliable one because your guys are bound to have cold stretches even if their sh% is unnaturally high, everyone does. But it is a way to win in spurts, and that's all a 7 game series takes. It does require good goaltending... which, of course, they have.

Originally Posted by Bingo

Nope.

Any shot attempt in the home plate area coming off a rebound, tip, or direct pass are considered high danger shot attempts.

Doesn't matter if you hit the crest, the goal post, shoot wide, or score.

I'm not sure why Ricardo is still here, given that literally all of his contributions to the forum are negative ones, but if he must be allowed to remain it's best to just not engage with him. Your efforts are wasted. He's not going to learn.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So Pierre McGuire was on radio in Ottawa this morning and absolutely roasted the Oilers from top to bottom.

Of course PomPom Staples couldn't get to the keyboard fast enough to spin and defend every single point made. Its really embarrassing.

McDavid and Draisaitl are just fine defensively thanks very much. LOL

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...e-mcguire-hmmm

From that article:

In some ways, this loss by the Oilers is far more painful because the Oilers were so close to beating a very good Winnipeg team

Oh, the Jets are a "very good" team now? I thought they were nothing nobodies who were a speedbump that the Oilers didn't even need to think about...

The Oilers and their stars are committed to playing two-way hockey.

Bwa ha ha ha!

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So Pierre McGuire was on radio in Ottawa this morning and absolutely roasted the Oilers from top to bottom.

Of course PomPom Staples couldn't get to the keyboard fast enough to spin and defend every single point made. Its really embarrassing.

McDavid and Draisaitl are just fine defensively thanks very much. LOL

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...e-mcguire-hmmm

lol.

The Oilers and their stars are committed to playing two-way hockey.

The fact is McDavid took a step up as a defensive player this year, improving his slot defence. Draisaitl is a strong defender when he puts his mind to it.

The Oilers stars are committed. Sometimes. It's a work in progress. But don't you dare say they are not good defensively!

[Flamesfan74]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

One of the worst feelings ever was Edmonton making the finals in 2006 after The Flames run and a lockout. The greatest feeling was seeing Carolina hoist the cup.

Being a Flames fan, I was working up in Red Deer for Totem doing some updating to the store during this run. It was game 7 and Everybody was dressed in Oilers blue, I grabbed the intercom and yell out “Go Canes Go”, got dirtest looks from the staff as I left that day. Greatest feeling when I walked into the store the next day with a #### eating grin on my face.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...ears-realistic

And he was basing it on Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle “taking off” and McDavid “fitting in”.

Does anyone actually like Maclean? The best part of Maclean was playing straight man to Cherry until he sold Cherry down the river. I would take Strombo (or anyone else) over him any day.

[dammage79]

Ron McLean waxes poetic far too much. Hes trying to romanticize the game but no one really cares. He hit the sweet spot IMO in the early to mid 2000s, then SN took over and gave him this weird platform.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Jacks

He didn't make the playoffs last year, they lost to the 12th place Hawks in the qualifying round. When you look at his actual playoff numbers they are okay but nothing incredible. Look at his ES points in the playoffs and it looks pretty bad, especially considering how much icetime he eats up.

13 points in 17 career playoff games is certainly NOT “ok” for a player like him.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bingo

This is such a bad take.

I get so sick of people pointing to advanced stats as "wrong" or even better "for losers" because they don't line up with the final results.

Interpretations like that are honestly so silly.

Hockey has been a sport since the beginning that sometimes you play well or play better than the opposition and lose. Before we had advanced stats we had shots on goal.

"How can they lose when they out shot the Jets 39-17?" Happens all the time.

Better finish.
Better bounces.
Better goaltending.

It will never be 100% correlated, but it meets the eye test more often than not.

Hellebucyk had a .956 save percentage in the four games. The Oilers probably outplayed the Jets, like the Flames outplayed the Ducks in getting swept four years ago.

They got out goaltended.

Out goaltended
Out coached
Out captained

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Out goaltended
Out coached
Out captained

"Let's go"

Except if you go in a way McJesus doesn't like, then he'll frown at you.

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Ron McLean waxes poetic far too much. Hes trying to romanticize the game but no one really cares. He hit the sweet spot IMO in the early to mid 2000s, then SN took over and gave him this weird platform.

Ya it's called Hometown Hockey. I went to it with my kids team when it came to our town. What a made for TV joke the whole event was. No Ron sighting. He was in a trailer behind glass (in Red Deer which I believe is his hometown).