[PGT] Mother's Day Masterpiece

[GioforPM]

Last year 1/3 of the top 15 draftees came from the OHL. This year there’s one OHL prospect in the top 15. That’s not a coincidence, it’s COVID, and I’m willing to bet that if the OHL had played there would be more of their players in the upper end of the draft.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

With the absence of games and opportunities to evaluate this year, no one has any idea how the top group of players really stacks up. This is the kind of year where it's a realistic possibility that a player drafted 20th could be the best in the draft.

So.. I'll take progression under Darryl going into next season and rolling over the team that had your number earlier.

Unfortunately that is...not a Flames' thing. I've never ever seen any Flames' team carry momentum of lessons learned from the previous season into the next one and give credit to the prior season. Nor have I ever heard any Flames' player say they are doing so good in the present season because they learned so many valuable lessons down the useless stretch the season before. Flames just don't do that. Other good teams learn from it. Not the Flames .

But I do agree, it's good to get the monkey off their back about the Sens. Don't need another "curse" set of games.

At this point racking up useless points is a great way to boost trade value for some the changes that are coming. At least that's a good tradeoff for a lesser draft position IMO.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sutter laughing out loud at Eric Francis’ stupid question about being an Albertan and having to hope for the Oilers and McDavid.

"Some of these guys don't want us to win, eh?"
and:
"It's doubtful I'll watch anymore hockey games for the rest of the year."

He's a beaut!

[Reign of Fire]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

That was so cringey listening to Francis squirm there. Stupid question and then he goes into explaining it more as if Sutter didn't get it. He got, it just wasn't an intelligent question Eric.

Does he ever ask intelligent questions? Eric is a disturber. His questions are worded to cause problems and I think the Flames are on to him now.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I have fond memories of The Nevereending Story. Is it on any streaming services? I want to scar my kids for life during the Artax scene. You know the one.

Currently 12.99 to purchase on YoutTube. Not sure about the other services currently.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I have fond memories of The Nevereending Story. Is it on any streaming services? I want to scar my kids for life during the Artax scene. You know the one.

It still haunts my memories. You just mentioning that name has me weeping silently at my desk.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

If we were ever unsure that the same people always complain, yesterday proved it.

If we lose: Flames suck, no heart, trade everyone, fire the coach, and fire the GM.

If we win: Flames are stupid, ruining draft slot, only win when it doesn't matter, etc...

Literally the same posters.

This makes no sense...
You have to actually use real context in this situation rather than grouping an entire season into 1 comment.

When we would lose meaningful games(2 months ago): Rightful criticisms
Winning meaningless games now(when pts do nothing but ruin our draft ranking): Rightful criticisms

That's how this works.
THIS TEAM ALWAYS does this EVERY time.
Then we roll into next year with the same core thinking "maybe they just need __insert rotating asset__ and we could contend"
Items like:
A real coach
Elite goaltender
Scoring RW

The list goes on here, we've seen it and tried it.
Terrible when it matters, great when it doesn't.

How can you even retort this? This team is mediocre in a nutshell EVERY year.

[Rejean31]

Eric sounded like a pissed off little child on the Fan this morning. Bitching and moaning about how Darryl was being petulant with him at the press conference last night.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Unfortunately that is...not a Flames' thing. I've never ever seen any Flames' team carry momentum of lessons learned from the previous season into the next one and give credit to the prior season. Nor have I ever heard any Flames' player say they are doing so good in the present season because they learned so many valuable lessons down the useless stretch the season before. Flames just don't do that. Other good teams learn from it. Not the Flames .

The Flames haven't had very many coaching changes mid-season. Just Darryl and Geoff Ward this century. When Darryl took over in 2002-03 mid-season, the team went 19-18-8-1 and missed out on the playoffs. In 2003-04, they went 42-30-7-3 and made it in the next season. Long time ago, but it's the same coach. Sutter is 12-14-0 so far and could end the season with a winning record, which probably doesn't mean a ton in the long run but could indicate that the team is moving in a positive direction.

As for last night, I found the game pretty enjoyable from an offensive standpoint. With all the movement in the offensive zone, including scissor switches and D joining in on the rush and on offense in the zone, it looked like a good sign that they worked on some things and hopefully that they aren't being confined to just getting the puck deep and taking shots from the point. They've done a lot of that boring stuff and Ottawa was tired, but I thought it was a pretty noticeable change yesterday.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

If we were ever unsure that the same people always complain, yesterday proved it.

If we lose: Flames suck, no heart, trade everyone, fire the coach, and fire the GM.

If we win: Flames are stupid, ruining draft slot, only win when it doesn't matter, etc...

Literally the same posters.

In a playoff position vs. not that might account for how people are reacting. Seems obvious no?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by zamler

In a playoff position vs. not that might account for how people are reacting. Seems obvious no?

Wouldn't those posters be happy when the team loses then and not complain?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Royle9

This makes no sense...
You have to actually use real context in this situation rather than grouping an entire season into 1 comment.

When we would lose meaningful games(2 months ago): Rightful criticisms
Winning meaningless games now(when pts do nothing but ruin our draft ranking): Rightful criticisms

That's how this works.
THIS TEAM ALWAYS does this EVERY time.
Then we roll into next year with the same core thinking "maybe they just need __insert rotating asset__ and we could contend"
Items like:
A real coach
Elite goaltender
Scoring RW

The list goes on here, we've seen it and tried it.
Terrible when it matters, great when it doesn't.

How can you even retort this? This team is mediocre in a nutshell EVERY year.

I wasn't talking about the whole season, I'm talking since they've been done (and I don't mean mathematically, I literally mean the last couple weeks)

[Howie_16]

Originally Posted by zamler

In a playoff position vs. not that might account for how people are reacting. Seems obvious no?

I believe you owe us some Yanet for last night's win Mr. Zamler...

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Howie_16

I believe you owe us some Yanet for last night's win Mr. Zamler...

Convince me why a non playoff team deserves Yanet.

[Toonage]

Harsh but fair.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by zamler

Convince me why a non playoff team deserves Yanet.

Technically not out yet so:

NSFW!

[Envitro]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

Eric sounded like a pissed off little child on the Fan this morning. Bitching and moaning about how Darryl was being petulant with him at the press conference last night.

Takes one to know one, I guess?
LOL, Eric is such a little B.

[Howie_16]

Originally Posted by zamler

Convince me why a non playoff team deserves Yanet.

A non-playoff team definitely does not deserve Yanet, but us fans of an almost officially eliminated team definitely do deserve some Yanet!

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Royle9

This makes no sense...
You have to actually use real context in this situation rather than grouping an entire season into 1 comment.

When we would lose meaningful games(2 months ago): Rightful criticisms
Winning meaningless games now(when pts do nothing but ruin our draft ranking): Rightful criticisms

That's how this works.
THIS TEAM ALWAYS does this EVERY time.
Then we roll into next year with the same core thinking "maybe they just need __insert rotating asset__ and we could contend"
Items like:
A real coach
Elite goaltender
Scoring RW

The list goes on here, we've seen it and tried it.
Terrible when it matters, great when it doesn't.

How can you even retort this? This team is mediocre in a nutshell EVERY year.

Still waiting on that scoring RW, or any top 9 RW, for that matter. The team has a serious structural problem, which is a deficit of right-handed shots at forward and D positions. There is not a single natural RW on the team that would even make the lineup of most NHL teams. Treliving tried to fill the void with bargain-bin retreads and got what he paid for. Management insisted on turning the team's only top 9 RW into a C rather than sticking with Bennett, who seems to be demonstrating that his problem with the Flames was indeed their utilization of him.

I don't think the Flames are that far from contention in every position except RW, but the failure to get two top-9 RWs was compounded by transitioning the one they had to another position. Unfortunately, when every single line has a major deficiency, a team is likely to have limited success.

I do think that the Flames can fill the one or possibly both of the 3RW and 4RW roles from prospects in the system. They will need to acquire or draft a 1C or 1RW and a 2RW (admittedly no small feat). But please, no more retread projects, let's give the youth a chance to shine next year.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

Eric sounded like a pissed off little child on the Fan this morning. Bitching and moaning about how Darryl was being petulant with him at the press conference last night.

I didn’t hear this. And I’m generally OK with Francis.

But I have zero interest in him if he decides to start some kind of vendetta campaign against a legendary coach who has been on the job here for less than a third of a full season.