Bedard/Michkov Sweepstakes

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jore

Only a Flames fan could call the Flames' recent results "pretty consistent success." Yes, I'd take the Devils roster over the Flames. They're certainly not world beaters right but they have blue chip talent coming the ranks, a plan, and consistent execution of that plan. I'd bet on them competing for a cup faster than we will.

The majority of this board can't handle this season because many people saw the problems coming. The team has been stagnant since Jan 2019 and other teams have improved. The GM has sat on his hands and made sideways deals to keep the Flames in our classic 15th-25th place position. We're saddled with declining assets, bloated contracts, and few prospects. I doubt people would have much to criticize if the management announced a plan to actually get us competing for championships openly and stuck to it.

It's pretty amazing how the vast majority of sports franchises have figured out that the way to compete for a championship in the North American league system is to go through cycles of tanking and competing. Yet the Flames soldier on, mediocre for 30 years, patching holes with draft picks, making sideways deals while our talent level gets outpaced by other teams around us. We fight for a chance to get knocked out of the first round. But hey, why fix what's not broken?

I 100% would take the Devils franchise over ours right now. Nothing is a guarantee and bad management can screw up a good looking young team but no question the Devils situation would be fun to watch moving forward.

If you compare the Flames right now when it comes to contracts, cap situation, age, prospects and picks we are slowly slipping near the bottom of the league. Not good enough to beat the aging teams but nowhere near as loaded as most of the teams at the bottom.

I usually peg 1 or 2 teams every year as the worst team to be a fan of right now (moving forward not including past success). IMO it's San Jose at the bottom. They have some bad contracts and are very old team. Not many prospects that jump out at you either.

Detroit was down there for a few years but I might take their franchise over ours now.

Ottawa was too over the last couple years but they may be ahead of us now too.

Arizona might be the worst right now right there with SJ. We aren't near as bad as these teams but we are getting close if we don't shake things up

[Jore]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I 100% would take the Devils franchise over ours right now. Nothing is a guarantee and bad management can screw up a good looking young team but no question the Devils situation would be fun to watch moving forward.

If you compare the Flames right now when it comes to contracts, cap situation, age, prospects and picks we are slowly slipping near the bottom of the league. Not good enough to beat the aging teams but nowhere near as loaded as most of the teams at the bottom.

I usually peg 1 or 2 teams every year as the worst team to be a fan of right now (moving forward not including past success). IMO it's San Jose at the bottom. They have some bad contracts and are very old team. Not many prospects that jump out at you either.

Detroit was down there for a few years but I might take their franchise over ours now.

Ottawa was too over the last couple years but they may be ahead of us now too.

Arizona might be the worst right now right there with SJ. We aren't near as bad as these teams but we are getting close if we don't shake things up

Detroit has a clear direction and a great GM, they're in a way better spot than us.

Ottawa is way ahead of us now even with their horrible owner. I'd rather watch a bunch of young talent scrap than some mediocre vets flounder around.

Arizona is the clear worst no question.

SJ went all-in on the Karlsson-Burns-Couture-Pavelski core in 2018-2019 and flamed out. You have to respect them for trying. Since then they're clearly in a rebuilding mode, turning Goodrow into a first, Dillon into 2nds and 3rds, Marleau into a 3rd, and getting a bunch of picks just for retaining salary this deadline. They're old and bad but at least the GM and owner recognize that and are turning it around.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jore

Detroit has a clear direction and a great GM, they're in a way better spot than us.

Ottawa is way ahead of us now even with their horrible owner. I'd rather watch a bunch of young talent scrap than some mediocre vets flounder around.

Arizona is the clear worst no question.

SJ went all-in on the Karlsson-Burns-Couture-Pavelski core in 2018-2019 and flamed out. You have to respect them for trying. Since then they're clearly in a rebuilding mode, turning Goodrow into a first, Dillon into 2nds and 3rds, Marleau into a 3rd, and getting a bunch of picks just for retaining salary this deadline. They're old and bad but at least the GM and owner recognize that and are turning it around.

Sj has good reason to be down there. That recent cup run was part of it. But it’s going to be a long haul fixing it so that why I have them last. The age and contracts of there highest paid guys is very scary. They might need 5 years or more

Even the minnesota is playing well their situation still is going to be tough to fix. Unless someone retires early which may be a possibility with parise and surer the way their contracts are structured

Chicago is still a mess and they probably won’t figure it out before Kane gets old. Unless they trade him. He still has good value

After that though the Flames are no better off then any team. Maybe teams like Boston are on the verge but they are too good now to put them down there

[InternationalVillager]

The ownership group has failed the fan base miserably. I doubt any of them even watch hockey or even know much about it. Do they even know what competent management is or is the only metric whether or not the local hockey team's on-ice product is generating enough revenue annually to balance the books?

When they come out and say that the goal is to compete for championships. Honestly, I don't believe them. If they actually believe in their own rhetoric, we're worse off as a fan base than we thought. Our ownership/management is delusional.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Would you? Would you trade the Flames and their pretty consistent success (regular season, winning more often than not) to Buffalo who does have some talent, who dont want to be there and they STILL can't win?

The Devils are in no better shape.

Yay for them for their high draft picks, nothing has come of it.

The majority of people on this board can't handle a single rough season like this one without some major freaking out, could you imagine if we were having seasons like the Devils or Buffalo has had for the last decade or so?

Yes, I would.
What I can't handle is a lifetime of mediocrity.

New Jersey, on top of having many recent high picks, will probably pick top 4 this year.
They also have THIRTY-SEVEN MILLION in cap space this summer.
I call that better shape.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Would you? Would you trade the Flames and their pretty consistent success (regular season, winning more often than not) to Buffalo who does have some talent, who dont want to be there and they STILL can't win?

The Devils are in no better shape.

Yay for them for their high draft picks, nothing has come of it.

The majority of people on this board can't handle a single rough season like this one without some major freaking out, could you imagine if we were having seasons like the Devils or Buffalo has had for the last decade or so?

The reason why so many on this board freaked out was because the expectations for the team were so high. They were expected to compete for the division title since they had key additions in Tanev and Markstrom. That has clearly not worked out and the previous data of the teams mediocrity is further being cemented.

If the fan base knew that the Flames were going for a tear down rebuild, I expect the tone around here would drastically change and it would be a different type of conversation. Don't mistake the outrage around here with individuals being unable to handle a rebuild. I expect that the average poster here has an above average understanding of the game and understands what a rebuild entails. As long as the team on the ice is working hard, who cares if you're losing? What I can't stand is watching 27-28 year olds cashing in paycheques and the team going nowhere. There are too many times this season when the team just simply doesn't work hard enough or seem to care enough.

[InternationalVillager]

Hat-trick Bedard...what a player. Plays with pace.

[Sandman]

Tank next year for Wright, the year after for Bedard, start dominance for new building. If we ever get a new building.....

Maybe ol’ Murray needs to pull a little bribe money out of his wallet to win us a few draft lotteries.Don’t tell me Katz didn’t do it lol......

[Jaybo]

Originally Posted by manwiches

I get to watch Bedard for a paltry $15 + beer and concession money once they open up to fans next year. I am excite.

i got to watch Sam Steel before he went to the ducks too.

Bedard is next level

Yeah, real shame the Pats and their fans aren't getting the benefit of this season. I'm also looking forward to watching him in person next year.

[Mass_nerder]

Bedard is a little small (listed at 5'9"). I wonder if he grows a bit more, since he's still pretty young.
5'9" is not ideal for a franchise C.

[8sPOT]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

You know things are bad when you're talking about tanking for a draft 2 years from now.

I think its more about just how good Bedard is. Looks to be a 'generational' talent.

[8sPOT]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Bedard is a little small (listed at 5'9"). I wonder if he grows a bit more, since he's still pretty young.
5'9" is not ideal for a franchise C.

He's 15, almost guaranteed to grow some more. I say gut the team and go all in on the next two drafts (2022 and 2023)

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

Bedard is a little small (listed at 5'9"). I wonder if he grows a bit more, since he's still pretty young.
5'9" is not ideal for a franchise C.

Yeah... pretty sure he can grow a few inches before 18.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

The majority of people on this board can't handle a single rough season like this one without some major freaking out, could you imagine if we were having seasons like the Devils or Buffalo has had for the last decade or so?

You’re right, Flames fans are making too much out of this season. We need to take a step back and look at our more successful recent seasons, where we’ve (checks notes)... been bounced in the first round. Puts things in a much better perspective.

[8sPOT]

Of course Flames fans can't handle this season. Because it was supposed to be a good season, or at least a step forward. We were poised to make the playoffs and maybe even make some noise.

If Monahan, Gaudreau, and Tkachuk are traded. We could fully expect to suck. So losing wouldn't be so ####ty and tough, compared to this year. This roster has severely under performed, enough where there's no way the core isn't FINALLY shaken up this off season.

Nobody should be untouchable. I expect a big move or two at the draft.

[AC]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1390480545398751235

wtf

[TheScorpion]

Bedard is the real deal. It would be so Flames-like to pick 15th overall that year and have a 0.5% chance at him in the lottery, and lose.

[InternationalVillager]

This organization made a mistake not tanking for McDavid. Hopefully they don’t make a mistake again not putting themselves the best shot they can to get Bedard.

What a goal. What a backhand.

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Bedard is the real deal. It would be so Flames-like to pick 15th overall that year and have a 0.5% chance at him in the lottery, and lose.

Why you gotta put that out there man!

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

This organization made a mistake not tanking for McDavid. Hopefully they don’t make a mistake again not putting themselves the best shot they can to get Bedard.

What a goal. What a backhand.

45 wins, 97 points and you think they should have tanked instead for a chance at winning the lottery?