2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 868904

I’d go even bigger in that trade and see if Monahan can be included to get Hischer.

Not if they have been watching Monny play.


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[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

After seeing what Bennett is doing in Florida I would be more open to getting Nolan Patrick from Philly. Similar situation a former elite prospect who has not really wowed anyone since being drafted.

Not as a centerpiece for Gaudreau mind you but as part of the deal or as a separate deal I am in

the knock on Patrick is that he brings nothing noticeable if he's not scoring. Even if he started to produce, I wouldn't expect anything more than Sean Monahan 2.0

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

the knock on Patrick is that he brings nothing noticeable if he's not scoring. Even if he started to produce, I wouldn't expect anything more than Sean Monahan 2.0

Agreed, and yet he's so far from being a Monahan 2.0... at this point he's a long shot to even hit that.
Stay far far far far far away, I'm surprised how many people on here are so high on him and yet want Monahan out the door ASAP.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I second Sandman's thoughts. McLeod is what - a 4th line PK'er? He is fast, but that's about it. He was a centre who never led his team in points in Junior. His numbers were pedestrian for the most part. Just a fast guy with poor hands.


I love speed, but for me it has to come like size does - it needs some skill to be useful. As some throw-in for the Flames to try and utilize in the bottom 6 to add some speed and get him to become a good pk'er? Sure. As a big piece for a Gaudreau trade? Absolutely not.

[TheScorpion]

I would want Sharangovich over McLeod, for sure.

Yegor has an incredible shot. Pure sniper.

[Sandman]

I would kind of be wary of what Sharangovich would bring to our team. He's got good numbers this year, but his numbers the past few years in the minors have been less than stellar. He's very young though, so perhaps he's just now figured it out. His numbers this year in the KHL were excellent as well.

[CFO]

Sam steel is a guy who was highly touted. Good first season and then worse each year. Another possible Bennett??

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

the knock on Patrick is that he brings nothing noticeable if he's not scoring. Even if he started to produce, I wouldn't expect anything more than Sean Monahan 2.0

I like the idea of buying low on Nolan Patrick. I'd definitely want some conditional picks involved. A right-shooting "Monahan" sounds like a really strong piece but he's got a long way to go to get to that point.

Maybe a smaller deal like Dube for Patrick and some conditional picks based on Patrick's scoring (this way we cover offense and games played)

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

the knock on Patrick is that he brings nothing noticeable if he's not scoring. Even if he started to produce, I wouldn't expect anything more than Sean Monahan 2.0

Yeah I have zero interest in Nolan Patrick. I don’t even care that he’s a former 2nd overall, he shouldn’t have bee drafted there. I remember watching him play in the 2017 NHL prospects game for the first time and I couldn’t believe he was pegged as a potential 1st overall. I was like, any team that drafts him first overall is going to be colossally disappointed and so far, he has been just that for Philadelphia.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by CFO

Sam steel is a guy who was highly touted. Good first season and then worse each year. Another possible Bennett??

Perhaps the Panthers can turn him around?


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[Sandman]

For a guy named “Sam Steel”, he sure is soft!

Seriously, I think his numbers are affected by the team he plays for. Nobody is putting up great numbers there. He’s smallish, but has great speed and playmaking ability. Definitely not a Sutter guy though, as he doesn’t possess the grit/sandpaper of a Mang or Dube-and to me, he’s a little timid in the trenches and battle areas.

[Strange Brew]

At this point I have no idea what Sean Monahan gets you in a trade. His contract no longer represents good value and his game has steadily regressed over two seasons now.

Anothe underperforming player on a similar contract?

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

At this point I have no idea what Sean Monahan gets you in a trade. His contract no longer represents good value and his game has steadily regressed over two seasons now.

Anothe underperforming player on a similar contract?

I wanted him gone in 2019 after his abysmal display in the playoffs and his disappearing act from Feb-Apr. At that time, he was at his absolute peak in terms of value, probably a quality roster player, a grade A prospect, a 1st round pick and maybe another add on. But now...after 2 bad seasons...yike. The Flames might get a draft pick and maybe a B prospect or they might eve. need to take on another bad contract themselves.

Who knows what other GMs are thinking though. Maybe Bennett’s resurgence perks the interest of other teams. Maybe someone else will think, “hey, we can fix that guy!” I have my fingers crossed.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

At this point I have no idea what Sean Monahan gets you in a trade. His contract no longer represents good value and his game has steadily regressed over two seasons now.

Anothe underperforming player on a similar contract?

Monahan's play and contract is on negative approaching James Neal territory, a total useless player the last two years, in order to get rid of him the team would have to take on a bigger bum with more term and money like Johansen or Duchene

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Monahan's play and contract is on negative approaching James Neal territory, a total useless player the last two years, in order to get rid of him the team would have to take on a bigger bum with more term and money like Johansen or Duchene

WTF

The last time Neal sniffed Monny’s current 58 point pace was 6 seasons ago in Nashville, before his VGK stint after which Tre inexplicably rewarded him with his current contract

No matter what you think of Monahan, shame for mentioning him in the same breath as Neal

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

WTF

The last time Neal sniffed Monny’s current 58 point pace was 6 seasons ago in Nashville, before his VGK stint after which Tre inexplicably rewarded him with his current contract

No matter what you think of Monahan, shame for mentioning him in the same breath as Neal

Monny is on a 47.6 point pace, not 58.

He has 8 points in his last 22 games, a 29.8 pace. He has only 1 multiple point game in that period.

But you are correct, he is well above Neal, but he is still not currently playing to his contract.


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[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

WTF

The last time Neal sniffed Monny’s current 58 point pace was 6 seasons ago in Nashville, before his VGK stint after which Tre inexplicably rewarded him with his current contract

No matter what you think of Monahan, shame for mentioning him in the same breath as Neal

As noted he's not on a 58 point pace, at $6.35m whether you want to admit it or not he is approaching Neal's value...he flat out sucks and has dragged this team down since the trade deadline of 2019. he has negative value on the trade market, we could waive him and there's no chance he would get claimed.

[Jore]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

I wanted him gone in 2019 after his abysmal display in the playoffs and his disappearing act from Feb-Apr. At that time, he was at his absolute peak in terms of value, probably a quality roster player, a grade A prospect, a 1st round pick and maybe another add on. But now...after 2 bad seasons...yike. The Flames might get a draft pick and maybe a B prospect or they might eve. need to take on another bad contract themselves.

Who knows what other GMs are thinking though. Maybe Bennett’s resurgence perks the interest of other teams. Maybe someone else will think, “hey, we can fix that guy!” I have my fingers crossed.

I wanted him gone after the Avs series too. If the Flames were smart they would have traded him then, or at the very least, recognizing his obvious struggles with the C position, moved him to RW to better maximize his value. The fact that he still hasn't been tried on wing while we've forced players like Bennett and Dube to be bottom 6 wingers is yet sign of the complete disarray that organizational player assessment is in.

[drewtastic]

Don’t know if this has already been broached in this thread, but—if he gets there—what do you think UFA Dougie Hamilton commands?

Still only 27...

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

Don’t know if this has already been broached in this thread, but—if he gets there—what do you think UFA Dougie Hamilton commands?

Still only 27...

Hard to judge, but I would imagine around $10M.