[PGT] Flames 5, E=NG 0

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Gaudreau last night for the 1st half of the game was garbage, pure garbage. Then Monny scored the goal and I think the one upsmanship kicked in.

Then all of a sudden he started back checking a bit harder and zoned in on making decent plays. I watched Johnny specifically last night and I can think of one excellent back check in the 3rd period. It was vintage Johnny. But that felt like a glimpse into the past.

Regardless, if the Flames aren't doing anything tomorrow in regards to trades and we are riding and dying with this group for a 2ns year in a row, we better well see more of what we saw last night.

I'm still of the opinion the only player from the core the Flames should trade is Johnny. I think Monahan is the next Captain 9f this team once Gio rides off into the sunset.

I can’t speak to motivation, but it is a fact that Johnny wasn’t good for the first half of that game and then dialled it way up after the first goal, which happened to be Monahan’s.

I commented in the GT (or maybe earlier in the PGT) about how frustrating it is these days to see Johnny make those kinds of plays both offensively and back checking, because that just proves he can indeed do it if he wants.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by nixon45

A big middle finger to all the Oiler fans on social media that have suddenly become the world's cockiest fanbase after a third of a season of not being a complete and utter laughing stock. Like honestly where do they get this confidence from?

Suddenly?


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[Gaskal]

Around the League Report

Spoiler!

Rat Race

BEAT THE BRAKES OFF THE INFERIOR TKACHUK LETS GOOOOOOOO

Dude gets popped in the head and people think he's faking it.

Come the f*** on, people.

Time to put a beatdown on Mathew That####.

What's turtles got up his big giant hand me down sleeve tonight?

Tkachuk looks like he has ADD

Someone knock that goof out.

Matthews Matthews Matthews

This is for David Staples if he looks here.

David, do us a favour and retire.

McDaViD aNd MaTtHeWs ArE rIvAlS eVeN iF tHeY dOnT aDmIt It shut the #### up please not even close to the same caliber yes Matthews is a goal scoring fiend we get it not Mcdavid level take an extra big shot for that one boys

Who the hell is this Gene Principe wannabe?

All these goofs want to talk about is Matthews on this pregame show.

So annoying. Let’s talk about the Battle of Alberta how about that.

McDavid and Draisaitl >>>> Matthews

These poor ####s just have to cry about Matthews don't they

Can they go 5 minutes without licking Matthews taint?

Mcdavid needs a 5 goal game so the media can stop talking about the leafs/matthews for an hour or so.

The Jolly Rancher

Holy f*** Sutter. No the Refs will not give you a bl**j**.

f*** off, Darryl. You're 17 points back.

Sutter's awesome!! Total gamer.

What a f***ing joke. Someone needs to drill Sutter in the head.

Garbage teams pulling garbage stunts.

Only Darryl Dip#### Sutter would pull this crap. Clownshoes LOL

Go back to your barn Sutter you goddam fossil.

Didn’t Sutter try and get a penalty against one of our goalies for stick tape colour years back too?

He made a linesman put white tape on Scrivens's stick during a shootout.

A whole lot of time for nothing.

Sutter is a f***ing moron.

Ok, nice waste of time there Sutter

Thanks for wasting everyones time Sutter

What a joke

f*** around, f*** around, another day in Cowtown.

Imagine being new to hockey and watching this trash. I'd be flipping the channel and never looking back. Bettman should fine the loser Flames

f*** you Sutter and your delay tactics

Seems that the line-up snafu has caused this game to crawl.

Sutter ruined the game. And I'm not even watching.

The saddest “Go Flames” ever heard

Kass wake up

Kassian needs to do something

Jeeeesus Kassian.. what happened to you man

Kassian is a useless turd.

Kass whata re you doing buddy geez get into the game

Reminds me so much of a slightly faster Lucic right now. Just out for a skate

JFC Kassian Neal Haas look bad tonight

Kassian and Neal are both done as NHLers imo

Kassian is straight poverty playing like an absolute bum since the extension

Will the hells angels pick Kassian up on waivers?

I am so over the Kassian experience. Now you gotta play Yamamoto too much to get the next powerplay.

Edmonton is __ ____

Thoughts after that period:

Calgary is no good
Edmonton is no good

That was the worst period of hockey seen in sometime. Almost worse than the weather outside.

Maybe its movie night instead.

Holy #### we are ASS

####ty period overall.

All started with Sutter delaying the game 30 seconds in because he can’t read.

Open season on McDavid out there. Unlimited
Obstruction allowed by the refs. Just disgusting.

Fourth game of five where the oilers kinda look brutal, right?

Prius Drivers

Who the f*** dreams of driving a Prius

Mony breaks the goalless streak

Jones and Bear.....WOOOF!!!

Get Jones off this team already

Jones bear, the gift that keeps giving

Fire this pairing into orbit.

Fire Jones and Bear into the f***ing sun holy ####

Get this f***ing pairing off the f***ing ice.

my god, bear and jones as a pairing is absolutely god awful. f*** off tippett

Smitty looks at Jones, pauses then yells what I believe was “DARN” right into his ear after the goal

That may be the only goal we see tonight from either team. What a sad excuse for a hockey game, let alone a BOA

Death, taxes, and brutal Ethan Bear pinches

Another goal against started by a brain dead play from Bear. That guy should have to pay to enter NHL arenas.

Ladies and gentlemen. Daves fav pair

DUMB AND DUMBER

Caleb Jones and Ethan Bear

Bouchard must have said something about Tippets wife

Just trash alla round. D and forwards

We are the turds of this division with MTL

Johnny on the goal line

Mmmmmk. NOW WE SUCK.

Did smith stare down the ####ing captain?! Hahaha Jesus christ

McController disconnected.

Wake. The. ****. Up.

Horrendous defense.

Smith has to save that, jesus christ.

f*** hell we suck ####, what the f***

Ennis is a joke in the defensive zone just him standing stationary with a lazy ass poke check covering nobody.

they look frustrated. disinterested. tired. bored even.
this sucks.

Elite defensive effort by McDavid there.

Well, I guess the boys started their week off a little early.

Lindholm on the PP

####in refs and they’re absurd power trips

I’m calling game over now too.

Bench Yamamoto.

f***ing moron.

Someone tell me what the hell Bear is doing there

Smith not having a great night

A goal right through Smith.

Needs to be saved.

‘Lindholm says, I wanna get on the scoreboard too cause my buddies are’.

This is typical Singh commentary. He’s a moron. Worse than Cassie because she actually knows the game and is just playing the role her connections provided for her.

mike smith giveth and mike smith taketh away. cant stand on his head every night

The first two really weren’t on him.. the last one he shoulda had

f***ing hell, just no jam tonight at all

The ‘Young N Fresh’ Wrister

Pull Smith.

Dear god this team will get wrecked in the playoffs, going to be the Chicago series all over again.

FFS… final minute too! And Giordanno… I would love to know how to get that much velocity without ever even touching the ice with your second foot. I’d tear the #### out of my beer leauge with that.lol

Goodnight all

Thanks for nothing Mike Smith.

Should be 1-0 if our goalie wasn't complete f***ing trash

Jesus Christ just f***ing Forfeit you absolute plugs

Yup, we are getting absolutely embarrassed out there. f*** this team.

Outa here. Nobody showed up. No one.

Ritchie Sneaks a Backhander in

Zero f***s given....I’m out

Awful goal on Smith… I want to see what Larsson does if he gives him a dirty look!

Atrocious

And it burns burns burns, the ring of fire, the ring of fire. Burns my ass.

Kinda expected a bed #### game against the Flames after running their show this season. I think Dube should have been called for interference on the first goal. That opened the door and the Oil have been lacklustre. It is so too bad this team couldn't have stabbed the Flamers in the heart to move them yet closer to mathematical extinction but park this and get out of town without (yet another) Flamers cheap shot. Sloppy, uninspired effort.

just got off work, how's smith looking

How does that f***ing count?

Edit: That was a brutal goal nevermind

I can only laugh at this point

Mike Smith is so gooood

Smiths worst game all year by far

3rd 5-hole goal on Smith tonight

Worst team game all year.

Considering the last 5 or so games that’s saying something. The boys have been pretty brutal for a while.

I hate getting shutout by the flames. We will never hear the end of this

I had $2 riding on this game!

Oilers been bad at 5on5 for a long time. Shades of last year pre shut down.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You guys are Eric Francis level terrible.

The team won 5-0 and got goals (and good games) from both Monahan & Gaudreau. Somehow you still took Sutter's comments as an attack on Gaudreau??

I'm sure Gaudreau's fancy goal really bothered Sutter. And his fancy one touch pass to Lindholm for his goal.

I'm guessing Sutter is ok to be happy with both players playing well and doesn't feel the need to pick a camp each game.

Sutter went out of his way to complement Monahan as doing everything he’s been asked “and more” and how it was nice for him to be rewarded. he said Monahan and “the kids” were a good line. He then says he put 13 and 19 with 28 because 28 is such a good player and he hoped to get the other two going. It wasn’t an attack on Gaudreau (or Tkachuk) but it certainly wasn’t praise. But Sutter is always careful in what he says. He’s never dishonest, but he’s honest in very specific and targeted ways.

TBF, I think Tkachuk and Gaudreau picked it up in the second half of the game. I just think the other three lines were there for the whole game. And Sutter ain’t wrong about saves (and I would add posts) at the beginning of the game. The Oilers had 2 or 3 great chances in the 1st, including a chance off of Tkachuk’s no look drop pass. I’d hate to think what the Flames would have done if those go in.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I can’t speak to motivation, but it is a fact that Johnny wasn’t good for the first half of that game and then dialled it way up after the first goal, which happened to be Monahan’s.

I commented in the GT (or maybe earlier in the PGT) about how frustrating it is these days to see Johnny make those kinds of plays both offensively and back checking, because that just proves he can indeed do it if he wants.

MT is the other one, obviously Sutter sees the "influence" those two players can have on the outcome of a hockey game. Both have been a little spoiled.

[browna]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't really wish to talk about Connor's comments from last night specifically as it seems disrespectful to Cave. However, there is a pattern here that makes it increasingly clear that he believes that he, and therefore, his team should be managed with some level of preferential treatment.

He's extremely unlikeable particularly compared to the last two generational players: Syd and AO.

IMO this comes straight from the top, where this is the expectation Lowe has that the league and the broadcast networks in Canada, need to see McDavid as a star above all others and to treat him with immunity.

Started with the unbearably akward televised scripted greeting from Katz ,and downhill from there. This is Lowe's golden egg and he knows it and is making sure he pulls whatever strings required to get him the star level coverage to keep McDavid happy so he signs again in Edmonton and doesn't get lost (as part of his pitch to Sportsnet to ramp up McDavids coverage) to a US market.

And I am sure Lowe is actively making sure McDavid knows all he is doing for him and all the chats Lowe has with the league's to show that Lowe is on his side and doing all he can. This, so that McDavid gets the star treatment like Wayne did and that the Oilers get fair treatment by the league.

Lowe has managed to get Rogers to focus a lot of resources of the Oilers. From pulling John Shannon off national broadcasts to the panel for regional Oilers games a few years back, the studio they have built at the arena etc etc. Nevermind the endless droning about McDavid specifically used by any half assed analyst trying to sound like an expert by salivating over any little thing he does. Every move McDavid makes, from going to the bench early or dumping it in, is meant with awe and praise.

For all the numbers Draisital puts up he should be getting equal billing, but not even close.

All the Rogers hype has been told to go towards McDavid, and after 5 years of being coddled and put in a different bubble by your organization and president who is pulling as many media and league strings as he is to keep you happy (so he stays in Edmtonton), eventually it has to rub off him when an unfortunate Covid/timing issue throws a wrench on the plans; it automatically has to be someone's fault, in this case the league, who McDavid has been conditioned by Lowe to think that the league is out to get the Oilers at every turn, so McDavid responds the way he did, as a bitter person.

My guess his grumpiness is less about the Cave memorial and more about the league taking away a planned Saturday day off (and Sunday) the Oilers didn't get because of the Covid rescheduling.

[GioforPM]

The ATL fans complaining about Matthews coverage is pretty hilarious. And then McDavid puts up a stinker (and blames a dead guy).

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Something that Sutter does extremely well: take the wind out of media windbag's sails. Francis is looking for quotes to write a hit piece on Johnny or mony. Sutter knew that and immediately decided not to give him ####.
Say Sutter isn't a players coach all you want but imo that is some of the best example of positive effect a coach can have on players that is visible to the fans. He can shield them from ####ty media people who like to tear down any built up confidence possible for a story.

Sutter will distract the media as much as he needs to in order to protect his players. We saw that in '04. Great bench boss.

[cannon7]

Now that the pressure is off this team can suddenly play hockey. Treliving fooled again.

[Hackey]

We're gonna be buyers now.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sutter went out of his way to complement Monahan as doing everything he’s been asked “and more” and how it was nice for him to be rewarded. he said Monahan and “the kids” were a good line. He then says he put 13 and 19 with 28 because 28 is such a good player and he hoped to get the other two going. It wasn’t an attack on Gaudreau (or Tkachuk) but it certainly wasn’t praise. But Sutter is always careful in what he says. He’s never dishonest, but he’s honest in very specific and targeted ways.

Maybe he wanted to focus on crediting Monahan directly since he's had a lot of criticism.
And/Or he wants to Monahan to find his confidence so he wanted to focus on complimenting him.

Or he has higher expectation of 13 & 19 to be the elite forwards and doesn't want to give them credit anytime they have a good game (since it needs to be that way every game).

Or he's just rambling a bit to not give Francis the soundbites he wants.

This is Sutter we're talking about.
Interpreting what he said as "I like Monahan, I don't like Gaudreau" is people just acting Francis like and trying to fit their own narratives.

[browna]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Now that the pressure is off this team can suddenly play hockey. Treliving fooled again.

Assuming the Habs and Flames have the same result vs the Leafs on Monday and Tuesday respectively, if the Flames can sweep the two games vs Montreal, they'll be at most 2 points back.

Sure MTL will still have 3 games in hand, but if that scenario played out, the Habs also have then lost 7 of 8 and would have the pressure and press breathing down their neck.

This is really a make or break week that the Flames need to gain 4 points at least on Montreal. They just need to be and stay within striking distance for the 3 games in a row vs MTL in a couple weeks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Maybe he wanted to focus on crediting Monahan directly since he's had a lot of criticism.
And/Or he wants to Monahan to find his confidence so he wanted to focus on complimenting him.

Or he has higher expectation of 13 & 19 to be the elite forwards and doesn't want to give them credit anytime they have a good game (since it needs to be that way every game).

Or he's just rambling a bit to not give Francis the soundbites he wants.

This is Sutter we're talking about.
Interpreting what he said as "I like Monahan, I don't like Gaudreau" is people just acting Francis like and trying to fit their own narratives.

Unless he’s out and out lying, which is not his way, he is saying “I like Monahan’s work”. And he’s only saying what a lot of people have noted already - Monahan is really trying to play a 200 foot game. He hasn’t always succeeded and he’s certainly been underproducing, but Sutter cares a lot more about the defensive zone than posters here, who focus mostly on the other end. So he’s obviously going to like Monahan’s effort there.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by browna

Assuming the Habs and Flames have the same result vs the Leafs on Monday and Tuesday respectively, if the Flames can sweep the two games vs Montreal, they'll be at most 2 points back.

Sure MTL will still have 3 games in hand, but if that scenario played out, the Habs also have then lost 7 of 8 and would have the pressure and press breathing down their neck.

This is really a make or break week that the Flames need to gain 4 points at least on Montreal. They just need to be and stay within striking distance for the 3 games in a row vs MTL in a couple weeks.

The Flames have beaten Montreal in three straight games, and have looked really good in their wins. I don't think it is a stretch at all to think that they could run the table on them.

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[3rd liner]

Just for a laugh I read Spector’s take on the game. He feels it was a travesty that the game was scheduled, a ‘black mark on the league’. So much whining.
Oh, and Smith was ‘average’. ������ . If that awful performance was average I wouldn’t want to see bad..

[SuperMatt18]

Flames line changes looked good, although the Lindholm line got caved in from a shots and chances perspective at 5v5.

I really like Monahan with Mangiapane and Dube.

IMO the best comparable for Monahan has always been Jeff Carter and that line combination really reminds me of the Toffoli - Carter - Pearson line that had success in LA

[DB93]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Flames line changes looked good, although the Lindholm line got caved in from a shots and chances perspective at 5v5.

I really like Monahan with Mangiapane and Dube.

IMO the best comparable for Monahan has always been Jeff Carter and that line combination really reminds me of the Toffoli - Carter - Pearson line that had success in LA

Honest question - why is Jeff Carter a good comp for Monahan. I always thought of Carter as possessing high-end speed. Maybe I am off base.

[transplant99]

nm...poor joke.

[DB93]

Originally Posted by DB93

Honest question - why is Jeff Carter a good comp for Monahan. I always thought of Carter as possessing high-end speed. Maybe I am off base.

https://www.nhl.com/kings/news/ftbk-...ng/c-297179062

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don't really wish to talk about Connor's comments from last night specifically as it seems disrespectful to Cave. However, there is a pattern here that makes it increasingly clear that he believes that he, and therefore, his team should be managed with some level of preferential treatment.

He's extremely unlikeable particularly compared to the last two generational players: Syd and AO.

McVictim.