Blow it up!

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by thetruefan

You don’t finish 1st by catching lightning in a bottle. Mark my words, this team will make the playoffs this season.

I applaud your positivity, but this team has won what, 15 games out of 34? Now you're asking them to win 16 in 22? Maybe if this could score more than 1 goal per game, maybe they could win half the games, but I don't give this team a chance at the playoffs. Plus there's a 2 more Sens games, so those are instant losses.

Also, if the 18-19 season was the norm, then perhaps you could point out the anomaly from the following:


Goals per game ranking:

16-17: 16th
17-18: 27th
18-19: 3rd
19-20: 20th
20-21: 23rd

[N-E-B]

If they blow it up (which I’m all for at this point) then they better do it right. No finishing 22nd-26th and drafting 6th or 7th overall all the time.

30th-32nd and get multiple top three picks. If you’re going to be bad actually be bad for once. Get a truly elite player. Get a MacKinnon or a McDavid. Get a Barkov. Be patient. I think this franchise is actually getting decent at drafting and developing depth players, now we just need a few elite pieces to round out the rest.

Drafting 6th overall all the time is not a recipe for success.

[meh]

I just hope Tkachuck is not traded simply because I do not want oiler fans to gloat.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Poe969

No, they need to trade him for a premium. He isn't, and won't be worth, the 9 million he will get 9n his next contract. He is the piece on the team that will bring the biggest return in a trade, if they want to rebuild he will bring back a huge part of the future.

hmmm

[Elkyiv]

I cannot believe this board is still having this conversation, 2 years after the series with the Avs.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

If they blow it up (which I’m all for at this point) then they better do it right. No finishing 22nd-26th and drafting 6th or 7th overall all the time.

30th-32nd and get multiple top three picks. If you’re going to be bad actually be bad for once. Get a truly elite player. Get a MacKinnon or a McDavid. Get a Barkov. Be patient. I think this franchise is actually getting decent at drafting and developing depth players, now we just need a few elite pieces to round out the rest.

Drafting 6th overall all the time is not a recipe for success.

If ‘all the time’ is drafting 3 times in the top 10 since 2003, when the last top 10 choice was Phaneuf at 9.

[Roof-Daddy]

Finally got a proven head coach, and now we are finally getting the answers we already pretty much knew. This roster isn't good enough and needs major changes.

I wanted a blow up last year, a lot of valuable core players, a supposedly deep draft, etc, but I knew that would never happen.

I doubt it happens now either. Probably a core piece or two moved in a retooling, but a blow up? No way, even if it should.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

I cannot believe this board is still having this conversation, 2 years after the series with the Avs.

Well the reason the Avs skated circles around the Flames was, um, compete and team toughness. Lazy back check, healthy sctratch James Neal out, Lucic in.

Other than that, and the Flames losing the only defenseman that can skate with elite forwards because we tried to trade him for a guy with a NTC...

Tanev is supposed to properly fill the role Hamonic did. And Tre paid Rasmus to to Brodie’s job, which he is not ready for now, and, being realistic, may never be.

Yeah. The conversation is sadly as expected.

[Flame On]

I don't know what people are so reticent about a rebuild for anyway. Aside from the whiny arguments like "its easy to spend other people's money", the team can hardly play worse than they are now for the most part, and the give-a-crap meter will be better. Plus it's an exciting new path that may actually get the team to a better place ultimately.
And I say all this as someone with total PTSD from the Young Guns era.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Well the reason the Avs skated circles around the Flames was, um, compete and team toughness. Lazy back check, healthy sctratch James Neal out, Lucic in.

Other than that, and the Flames losing the only defenseman that can skate with elite forwards because we tried to trade him for a guy with a NTC...

Tanev is supposed to properly fill the role Hamonic did. And Tre paid Rasmus to to Brodie’s job, which he is not ready for now, and, being realistic, may never be.

Yeah. The conversation is sadly as expected.

In my opinion, the Avs beat the Flames the same way most teams were beating the Flames this season. Flames' over aggressive on their forecheck, left the neutral zone wide open for Colorado's quick counter attacks while on the defensive side, they dropped 2 back, kept tight gaps and they ate the Flames alive on turnovers.

Unfortunately, Bill Peters didn't adjust his tactics in time (at all actually) and the Flames were completely dominated in 5 games.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yup, right or wrong, I can't see them blowing it up after hiring Sutter and signing Markstrom

This. I don't get why people bother speculating about a rebuild at this point.

They just hired a coach for three seasons with the explicit mandate of being a contender right now.

You can probably kiss our draft picks goodbye already.

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Poe969

No, they need to trade him for a premium. He isn't, and won't be worth, the 9 million he will get 9n his next contract. He is the piece on the team that will bring the biggest return in a trade, if they want to rebuild he will bring back a huge part of the future.

and other teams know that, so will offer you less than you want.
they won't want to be stuck in Calgary's mistake with his current contract.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

and other teams know that, so will offer you less than you want.
they won't want to be stuck in Calgary's mistake with his current contract.

Pretty ridiculous to call it a mistake when he signed the deal coming off a 34 goal 76pt season as a 20/21 year old. Even ridiculous to suggest it will still look bad in a season and a half when it is up.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Itse

This. I don't get why people bother speculating about a rebuild at this point.

They just hired a coach for three seasons with the explicit mandate of being a contender right now.

You can probably kiss our draft picks goodbye already.

I see the D and goalies staying put and a major shakeup in the forward group. But it certainly won’t be a depletion if forwards for picks.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flame On

I don't know what people are so reticent about a rebuild for anyway. Aside from the whiny arguments like "its easy to spend other people's money", the team can hardly play worse than they are now for the most part, and the give-a-crap meter will be better. Plus it's an exciting new path that may actually get the team to a better place ultimately.
And I say all this as someone with total PTSD from the Young Guns era.

I think most here would support a re-build, but folks are rightly concerned about whether the ownership group will accept it and allow that to happen.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I see the D and goalies staying put and a major shakeup in the forward group. But it certainly won’t be a depletion if forwards for picks.

While I agree, I don’t trust Treliving’s instincts in forwards. He’s a former defenceman and clearly thinks defence first. His defence moves have been more strategic (not always successful) but his forward moves are largely tactical (Lindholm notwithstanding).

[Johnhitbox]

I'm perfectly fine with a rebuild at this point. It's hard to admit it but I don't think this core is getting us anywhere. But let's hope we can get a top 2 pick and let's hope it's not another Bennett.

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[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think most here would support a re-build, but folks are rightly concerned about whether the ownership group will accept it and allow that to happen.

Knowing what we know about this owner group that's a valid concern. Personally if I was an owner I would be terrified about the prospects of hanging on trying to retool on the fly and opening the new building with an over the hill bad team like the Ducks when their vets all declined. It would be much, much smarter and safer to take the pain now and open the new arena with a younger team that at least has promise. Fans will support a young up and coming team with promise. As you can see today they will not accept a bad team trending down.

[Sylvanfan]

I get the trepidation about going into a rebuild. Teams like Buffalo, New Jersey, and even Detroit seem to be mired into one that's going on for 5 years now, and those teams are no better in the Standings today than they were last years. Even Anaheim, how long are they going to be down for? Once you go that way, you can get stuck there forever. Even McDavid and Dr. Drai have had a miserable time getting Edmonton to mediocre....

Going into the offseason, the Flames were far better positioned to rebuild as contract wise they were pretty open and did not have too many long term commitments. Even Backlund, Gio and Lucic in a rebuild somewhat help the team get to the salary floor and can provide guidance for some young players coming in. But having added a couple of bigger dollar term contracts in Markstrom and Tanev, that makes it a bit trickier. Plus add in a coach who really is not a good fit for a full rebuild.

They likely will make some sort of move in the offseason, but I think they'll try changing out a bigger piece or two of the team and give that a go before they waive the white flag on a rebuild.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I doubt blow it up. My guess is retool in the off season and let Sutter run out his contract and then tear it down after that.

Jesus, if that's the case we could be 7-8 years before the next GM's build starts to (hopefully) contend.