[News] All-encompassing Bennett trade discussions thread

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No it's not true.

The stats aren't fancy ... it's points / ice time. If you find that fancy you must find a lot of stuff in life fancy.

Pts/60 minutes played is such a horse#### stat though. It is not a fair measure because quality of opposition is not factored into the mix. This is why I don't like advanced stats or the crowd who rely on them for their argument, is they don't truly understand stats and methodology for collection and comparison. Hockey is based on chaos and team play. You can't take something as general as shots or points generated and think they are equitable measures.

I'm not pulling random numbers like "Bennett's fenwick against when playing Canadian teams is superior so ... " to make a point.

And I thank you for recognizing how ridiculous that would be.

It's points normalized for ice time, and honestly the best ranking of production by NHL forwards you can use.

It's not normalized because the variables that would normalize the data are not considered. To actually make these stats give you realistic models it would take much more data on quality of competition and situational data. Those don't impact the model in any way, so it pretty much invalidates the result. Bennett produces x points per sixty minutes playing against some really weak competition. Gaudreau produces y points per game playing against the best the competition has to offer. They are not comparable numbers. Very different influences on their ability to produce which never enters into the equation. Those variables greatly matter and should make it obvious to not use those measures.

Sorry it doesn't fit well with your narrative, nor your need to grandstand with hyperbole.

Hyperbole? 12 ####ing points dude. On a trend for 6 this season. Hyperbole that one way.

How is Jeff Cowan's career going?

About as well as Sam Bennett's is right now.

[btimbit]

Just because a trade isn't 'imminent' doesn't mean it's not trade related to scratch him. Teams could be worried about an injury but still have details to hammer out, he could be scratched for the next 4 games before something happens. Plus it's not like a team has ever lied about a trade being close.

It's definitely trade related. Doesn't nessesarily mean he's getting traded today

[The Yen Man]

I'm gonna predict its Virtanen one for one.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

They only name three:

LOL - the Mike Hoffman who scored over 20 every year since he made the NHL on a full time basis (albeit at 24)? The Daneault who had one 10 point rookie year and then has been a 40-50 point guy since? Eller’s been pretty much the same player since he was 22 - he just got more points on Washington with Burakovsky than on Montreal with Prust.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's been mentioned that Bennett doesn't want to play on the wing, but he isn't one of the top 4 centers on the team. As a winger, he is an OK 3rd or 4th liner. As a center, he is going to eat popcorn on occasion. I think that is the takeaway here.

who cares where he wants to play? you're getting paid a couple of million dollars. do your ####ing job.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Just because a trade isn't 'imminent' doesn't mean it's not trade related to scratch him. Teams could be worried about an injury but still have details to hammer out, he could be scratched for the next 4 games before something happens. Plus it's not like a team has ever lied about a trade being close.

It's definitely trade related. Doesn't nessesarily mean he's getting traded today

I agree. I feel like the team knows its over for Sam here, and I think this benching along with the story from last week is too much media fodder, which they aren't going to want as an ongoing distraction. He'll be traded within the next week or two is my guess. Like I said before, this is way too much focus for a not very important player. They just need to move on quickly.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I'm gonna predict its Virtanen one for one.

I feel like the Flames aren't going to trade Bennett to a rival for this guy

https://twitter.com/user/status/1101715922899787776

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Why should Bennett continuously get a free pass to play every night when he isn't getting the job done? The Flames are going nowhere if they don't get contributions from their bottom 6 beyond Backlund.

Guys like Bennett, Lucic, Ryan need to step up and start chipping in. What have they given the Flames aside from being completely overmatched whenever on the ice this year? 5 points combined while counting for roughly $9 million against the cap?

That kind of dough comes with expectations that you should be at least chipping in every few games with something more than not taking penalties or winning a few draws.

What has Backlund done?

2G, 2A - one G was an m/t netter.

[btimbit]

It's also possible that Bennett is simply injured. He did seem banged up by the end of the last game. Don't wanna hurt trade talks by saying he has a lower-body injury, so sit him and hint that it's a classic case of just scratching the guy that wants out.

[Incogneto]

jeez, I really want to have Bennett+ for Rakell. He'd be a perfect fit here.

[bluejays]

I’m calling it now. Detroit. I hope it’s free if they take on Lucic. Elsewise the flames will never get value for Bennett in a one for one. That’s my thought personally.

[btimbit]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1357396663225188357

[dammage79]

It has begun. So long Sam Bennett. I've always been a big fan. My brother more so. Especially after him meeting and hanging out.

Nothing but the best. Good luck wherever you end up.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by New Era

Because it is true. You can take all your fancy stats and try to spin them any way you like, but the reality is that Bennett does not produce regardless of the situation he is in. You cannot play him up the lineup and expose him to better level competition because he doesn't have the skill or brains to play at that level. He just doesn't produce and his presence drags the other players down.

The playoffs is a pretty big situation to be put in. Somehow Bennett seems to thrive

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by btimbit

https://twitter.com/user/status/1357396663225188357

That's funny, I would have never thought there would be much assets required. I will be pleasantly surprised at the trade I think.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by fleury

I’m calling it now. Detroit. I hope it’s free if they take on Lucic. Elsewise the flames will never get value for Bennett in a one for one. That’s my thought personally.

Why would Lucic waive to go to the Wings?

[Ozy_Flame]

Thank god he won't be going to the Canucks. Although we'd be on the Powerplay a lot if he did, and that's not a bad thing

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by btimbit

https://twitter.com/user/status/1357396663225188357

Maybe we won't be getting hosed on this trade after all.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

The playoffs is a pretty big situation to be put in. Somehow Bennett seems to thrive

Does he? Or has he simply had some good puck luck?

I am thinking it might be a luck thing over such a small sample size.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by btimbit

https://twitter.com/user/status/1357396663225188357

Hmm, they don't have a second or third? lol
Flames must not want Virtanen or the Canucks must not want to trade him.