DC Capitol Riot & Subsequent Fallout Thread (Jan 2021)

[Mull]

Originally Posted by devo22

I'm sure they will. It's no coincidence Facebook and Twitter are finally starting to be stricter now.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1347064818944118784

I mean it could be this but correlation doesn't mean causation.
A simpler answer could be, they starter to be stricter now because congress was stormed due to a tweet from Trump

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by V

Yesterday may have been grim, but it also gave us Elizabeth from Knoxville, and that, to me, was a big win. I’ve watched that video 30 times and laugh every time.

We're storming the capitol, it's a revolution!

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by devo22

I'm sure they will. It's no coincidence Facebook and Twitter are finally starting to be stricter now.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1347064818944118784

good point by this lady.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The rules of engagement would be extremely different and have an extremely wide latitude.


It was a mob, in a Federal building, with most of the Federal Lawmakers at risk. They had been warned many times to cease. As well the tactical situation was unknown, How many of these terrorists were armed? We don't know, but I'm thinking that the assumption that there were gun toting morons in the crowd. So its not the usual put your hands up, get on your knees lie on the ground so I can cuff you scenario.



The rules of engagement were that deadly force was allowable if the mob acted in any and all threatening manners.


And before anyone asks about non lethal options, a rubber bullet at that range would have probably killed her. As would a lot of nl projectiles, and a taser is a terrible weapon in a mob scene, plus they could role in a tank with a water cannon as the doors are pretty small.


I feel bad that she died, she was a veteran who probably served her country well, but that's no excuse for being in that mob storming the capital.

I’m just confused as to why they appeared completely surrounded (video of the woman getting shot) and then all the riot cops on that side of the door turn around and leave just before the shot.

[Robo]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There is going to be a major investigation into the Capital Police, I would expect that every senior officer is about to lose their job.

I would expect some heads to roll seeing how prepared they were for BLM compared to this i honestly can't even fathom how they would be so ill prepared for this. Not to mention how weak they made the USA look here

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

There is going to be a major investigation into the Capital Police, I would expect that every senior officer is about to lose their job.

I read somewhere that the Chief of the Capitol police (may have been DC metro police) was on the job for his 4th day. No excuse...but very well a reason possibly.

However...this was an epic security failure and comes down to who made the call to not barricade the entire building as we see it.....today. Literally cannot get within 500 feet of place.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I watched the video of the woman being shot and I’m having trouble believing it was justified. She doesn’t appear to be armed or making any kind of aggressive action. Is being part of a mob enough of an excuse to be shot? Do Capitol Police have the authority to shoot to kill without an imminent threat?

She was a deluded MAGA-head so anything is possible, but I hope there is an investigation.

Try the same thing on someones house in Texas...

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

True.

But what does this tell the enemies of the US? They are vulnerable. They are open to attack. They are weak.

And that is bad for everyone.

Agreed...but its already done. That ship sailed yesterday when there was no where near the man power needed.

Now all they can do is make an example of those who are identified...and that WILL happen. Guaranteed.

My bigger thought on this was..

Everyone knew that there was going to be something yesterday and knew that it would end up at the Capitol building as that is where the count was taking place and the whole idea was to stop that from happening. Again...everyone knew that.

Everyone means just that...everyone.....including enemy state operatives who so easily could have gone and bought some Trump/Maga crap, infiltrated the crowd both at the rally and then at the capitol itself...and then just walked right into the very heart of the government and where democracy happens. Literally walk right in through the front doors and put into action all the ill intentions they would have. Terrorism served up with desert.

Mind numbing stuff.

[Red]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I watched the video of the woman being shot and I’m having trouble believing it was justified. She doesn’t appear to be armed or making any kind of aggressive action. Is being part of a mob enough of an excuse to be shot? Do Capitol Police have the authority to shoot to kill without an imminent threat?

She was a deluded MAGA-head so anything is possible, but I hope there is an investigation.

Vice President is in the room and you are his security detail. You see an armed mob breaking thru the window. That's what the shooter knew was happening from the intel they already had from previous hour. And that's what he saw in the moment. Sure, she didn't have a gun after all, but she very well could have. Like others did.

You on the other hand saw a video from the other room.

Sad end to her life, left a kid behind. Feel sorry for her, but the outcome was predictable.

[Timbo]

Mayor of DC with strong words and call to action and prosecution.

[PsYcNeT]

DC residents are pretty damn mad about it. Love this guy.

(NSFW Language)

https://twitter.com/user/status/1347077202156933121

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by V

Yesterday may have been grim, but it also gave us Elizabeth from Knoxville, and that, to me, was a big win. I’ve watched that video 30 times and laugh every time.

I didn't see this, just searched for the video.

Thank you.

This made my day. The complete shock and dumbfoundedness of her inability to understand or comprehend why she was maced. Amazing.

[dammage79]

I dont think the U.S can treat the events of yesterday other than a massive security breech. Theyll now have to (at the very least) sweep for bugs on everything. Cataloging any missing paperwork i.e sensitive information, and pretty much wipe all their computers. Thats at bare minimum.

That was a live physical hack and I cannot fathom how the intelligence community didn't think to have the Capitol on full lock down. This isn't just some cheeky mis step from a rookie police captain. This is legitimately a national security issue. Yeah, heads are going to roll and I dont think there's a limit to how many.


This may have been the most epic smash and grabs of all smash and grabs of all time.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Can we get a constitutional amendment that says if you get banned from Facebook or Twitter you are automatically removed from the Presidency? It is utterly absurd that Trump can end humanity with WMDs, but can't #### post on social media.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Robbob

When the full story behind the national guard comes out it will be interesting. The rumours that Trump not wanting the imagery of military with his supporters should have been vetoed by one of his staffers. The fact it took 3 hours for them to move in is crazy. Shows they weren't even on standby.

Apparently it was Pence who ended up calling in the National Guard after Trump predictably hesitated.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/polit...ard/index.html

Vice President Mike Pence, not President Donald Trump, helped facilitate the decision to mobilize members of the DC National Guard Wednesday when violence at the US Capitol building started to escalate, according to a source familiar with the move and public comments from top officials.

Trump, who has proven over the past year to be eager to deploy the National Guard when violence breaks out, initially resisted doing so on Capitol Hill Wednesday as a mob of his supporters breached the building, per a source familiar. Pence played a key role in coordinating with the Pentagon about deploying them, and urged them to move faster than they were.

The news raises questions about who was acting as commander in chief on one of America's darkest days, which saw the country's legislature overrun for the first time since the British attacked and burned the building in August 1814.

Public statements by acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller and other top officials suggested it was Pence who ultimately approved the decision. Miller's statement Wednesday seems to indicate he did not even speak with Trump, discussing the matter with his deputy instead as sources told CNN the President was reluctant to even denounce the violence being carried out in his name.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by devo22

I'm sure they will. It's no coincidence Facebook and Twitter are finally starting to be stricter now.

It has not escaped my attention that the day social media companies decided there actually IS more they could do to police Trump’s destructive behavior was the same day they learned Democrats would chair all the congressional committees that oversee them.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1347064818944118784

So, media companies are being "overseen" by committees of politicians, who control their policies? I thought, USA had free independent media?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

I watched the video of the woman being shot and I’m having trouble believing it was justified. She doesn’t appear to be armed or making any kind of aggressive action. Is being part of a mob enough of an excuse to be shot? Do Capitol Police have the authority to shoot to kill without an imminent threat?

She was a deluded MAGA-head so anything is possible, but I hope there is an investigation.

What a head scratcher. It seems like many of you think the police should have used more force, but once they do so, it is immediately too much force....This was a real life and death situation where they not only feared for their own lives, but also had to protect the government officials within the building - full stop.

The minute you decide to invade a government building by force, use pepper spray on police, utter threats, toss projectiles etc is the minute you have lost any right to be treated conservatively by authorities. What more of an imminent threat do you need in order to take action? The masses were probably merely a few feet away from innocent people taking refuge in the building where this woman was shot.

Tragically, this quite likely is the action that put an end to the mob's advance into the building. Sad to think someone was willing to put their life on the line for that orange DB. What a waste.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Pointman

So, media companies are being "overseen" by committees of politicians, who control their policies? I thought, USA had free independent media?

Facebook is your media and news source?

There's your problem.

[PepsiFree]

One thing that can be said as a benefit to the way things went down yesterday, credit only to the pure ineptitude of the response, is that so few people died. Not even these people deserve the death penalty for what they did, they overtook a building and, again probably due to the fact that they're unorganized and are fighting for essentially nothing and they know it, weren't overly violent to the point of needing to be put down. Had many of them met a bullet, you can bet they would be seen as martyrs to the cause, creating a powderkeg and giving them some actual reason to attack government officials.

Again, this credit goes to absolutely nobody, it's just the way things went down, but there is a positive side to it. It could have been worse for everybody, including the Capitol.

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

DC residents are pretty damn mad about it. Love this guy.

(NSFW Language)

https://twitter.com/user/status/1347077202156933121

Maybe I'm just emotional, but this was just sad. The woman tearing up in the car really got to me.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Pointman

So, media companies are being "overseen" by committees of politicians, who control their policies? I thought, USA had free independent media?

well facebook and twitter have spent an absolute fortune arguing that they aren't media in order to escape liability for the massive damage their crappy little platforms do so **** 'em, at this point I would be happy if both were closed down permanently.