2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

It is odd to see a leak like that come out of this front office. Rarely, whether it is the potential Stone trade, or the potential Zucker trade do we find out who the potential Flame being traded is. Probably made Hanifin question his long term viability in Calgary, although it did show we were in potentially on Hall.

I think it's more likely hanifin was in the hall trade because he wasn't in the flames plans long term rather than him not being in their plans now after finding out he was almost traded.

[Johnhitbox]

Originally Posted by dino7c

McDavid dressed like Trump for Halloween...do not want

i think that was actually a Florida Orange he was dressed up as.


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[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by MrMike

I have a feeling that Hanifin is being shopped for a top 6 forward and the Flames get OEL and Kuemper in a separate deal.

This has some merit. Minneapolis needs a forward, preferably a C from what I've been reading. Russo has mentioned guys like Mony or the Nuge as centers that would be coveted in a trade for a player like Dumba. I'm not sure Hanifin makes sense for Dumba.

I could see Hanifin going somewhere for a top 6 forward. Plus OEL and Kuemper make a lot of sense for Calgary providing some salary stays with AZ.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I just struggle to see why the Wild make that move?

They are going to lose Dumba to the expansion draft in a year. If they can get a solid middle 6 C for him, with 4 years left of his contract, that is a great return.

They are in no position whatsoever to try and command Monahan as a return for Dumba. None.

Some of these proposals are ridiculous.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hanifin and Monahan for Laine and Copp/Lowry?

I would love to see Lowry on this team.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think it's more likely hanifin was in the hall trade because he wasn't in the flames plans long term rather than him not being in their plans now after finding out he was almost traded.

That is probably the case. Maybe we can use him to replenish some of the draft picks that we have given up over the past 5 years. I do not think there is a team in the league who has drafted less in the first 3 rounds over the past five years than the Calgary Flames.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

They are going to lose Dumba to the expansion draft in a year. If they can get a solid middle 6 C for him, with 4 years left of his contract, that is a great return.

They are in no position whatsoever to try and command Monahan as a return for Dumba. None.

Some of these proposals are ridiculous.

Then they move him next off-season before the expansion draft.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

They are going to lose Dumba to the expansion draft in a year. If they can get a solid middle 6 C for him, with 4 years left of his contract, that is a great return.

They are in no position whatsoever to try and command Monahan as a return for Dumba. None.

Some of these proposals are ridiculous.

The Wild are on the cusp of a rebuild in my opinion I just can’t see them trading a 26 year old for a 31/32 year old.

I think they get someone younger. Don’t get me wrong I would love a Backlund for Dumba trade I just don’t think the Wild do (Backs also would veto)

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Jables16

People seem to really be dogging Dumba for one bad season (where he was returning from a significant injury). Prior to that he was on a steady upward trajectory, having put up 50 points in a full 82 game season and a +15 in 2017-18, and in 2018-19 he was on pace to put up 57 points and 30 goals, though that goal scoring pace may not have been sustainable.

Given Monahan's well documented struggles I'm surprised to see so many people opposed to using him to acquire a 26-year old RHD, with tremendous offensive skill, that can play physical, and defend reasonably well. There's an incredible premium on guys of his ilk and there's a clear vacuum in the Flames system that he could fill.

As others have said, there's so much more that would go into the big picture, ie. what other pieces are involved, other trades the Flames make, who they acquire in free agency, and the expansion draft, but I think you'd be crazy to reject acquiring Dumba outright.

Yeah....IIRC its 9 dmen in the history of the league have scored 30 or more.

Dumba is a helluva a player who had a bad season...it happens.

I just dont think the Flames have the ability to go get him though, nor afford him under the cap. Way bigger issues with this team than good defensemen.

[Vinny01]

3 Hanifin trades:

MTL: Domi
CHI: Strome
Any team: 1st+ 2 2nds

[Roof-Daddy]

Since Hanifin was reportedly almost dealt to NJ I wonder if there is still something in the hopper with them?

Maybe Hanifin for 18th or 20th plus some other stuff and the plan is to use 19th and something else for a Kuemper/OEL acquisition.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Then they move him next off-season before the expansion draft.

He is worth more now. Before the expansion draft he has almost no value to most teams, and pretty much every good team (i.e. those that would be interested in him)

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Suggested it before and will again.

Gaudreau for Ekblad.

Thats a terrible suggestion. Ekblad is almost in Erik Johnson territory. That's as bad if not worse than the Hall for Larsson one for one deal.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'd love this, but why is Minnesota trading Dumba? (I honestly don't know, I'm just curious if Hanifin fills a need or if they want to trade Dumba for forward help)

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The Wild just locked up Brodin long term and also have Suter signed long term. That's their top two left shot Dmen, they don't need Hanifin. They're also rumored to be looking to trade Dumba to lower the money on D and shift it to the forwards.

Also the expansion draft.

They are all in on Spurgeon, Suter and Brodin. And they can only protect 3.

You could argue that they don't protect Suter, but 1) that option may not be available to them, and 2) if they did that, and Seattle selected him, he would be a huge risk to retire, slapping Minny with a MASSIVE cap penalty.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

slapping Minny with a MASSIVE cap penalty.

I don't recall what the numbers are, but recapture penalties are limited in the new CBA

[the_only_turek_fan]

I would not bring in a 8.25M cap hit for the next 6 years with this much financial uncertainty.

If anything I would target value signings like Galchenyuk, Erik Haula, DeMelo, and Brendan Dillon.

I would also bring back Forbort.

Bringing in a big ticket like OEL or Hall may mean cap suicide in a couple of years.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Thats a terrible suggestion. Ekblad is almost in Erik Johnson territory. That's as bad if not worse than the Hall for Larsson one for one deal.

From an advanced stats perspective Ekblad has been much better the last two seasons.

He had a rough 17-18 but has been much better. Corsica hockey player ratings had him as a top 40 dman in the league last year, and a clear top pairing guy.

Still don’t love his contract but he’s not a terrible player and is better than Larsson. Would be a better option than OEL or Dumba IMO, he’s the youngest and still has the most upside.

[1qqaaz]

I just don't think it makes a lot of sense for Florida to move Ekblad. If they move someone, it'll probably be someone we hardly talk about.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Since Hanifin was reportedly almost dealt to NJ I wonder if there is still something in the hopper with them?

Maybe Hanifin for 18th or 20th plus some other stuff and the plan is to use 19th and something else for a Kuemper/OEL acquisition.

If NJ really wants him, I wonder if they’d be willing to do Severson and the 7th for Hanifin and the 19th. There should be an outstanding prospect at #7.


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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't recall what the numbers are, but recapture penalties are limited in the new CBA

I have not heard that and couldn't find anything on it - do you have anything on that?

All I can find is the rule that has been in place for a while: the recapture penalty equals the cap savings. and if Suter were to retire now, that would be a $20M hit for the Wild.