2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I could not be a fan of any team with an internal salary cap.

Surprised these things leak out like that.

Dont be to surprised to see the flames under budget. A lot of these owners have seen their buisness take massive losses. The bottom line is far more important than toys.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Valid point, but not one I agree with.
Johnny hasn't shown that he can re-adjust now that the league has adjusted to him.
He could pop, but I could also see his decline continuing.
But I do agree this is probably something they are worried about.

I don't really think that happens with players, frankly.

Sure tendencies get exposed and coaches analyze tape, but gaudreaus skills aren't a particular deke on a break away or a one timer from a particular spot, it's elite hockey sense/pick awareness and the hands soft enough to make plays on 90% of what his mind sees developing.

I don't think that's game-plannable.

I think it's plainly obvious that the production isn't there because the effort isn't there because the joy isn't there. I get that everyone views the game differently, but that's what I see.

Barring injury I think it's excellent odds that gaudrwaus first season away from Calgary, whenever that is, is point per game plus.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

From Frank Servalli:

https://www.tsn.ca/seravalli-at-leas...unch-1.1522380

lol

Arizona is already at $80 million for cap expenditure with roughly half a dozen players to add still. However, they are only at about $61 million in actual salary expenditure.

So they plan on adding those players without adding more than $9 million of real money but at the same time they can't add any cap money.

That will be a fun job.

Hard to believe they were trying so hard to extend Hall, and he certainly can't find them very attractive if winning is paramount.

[Flash Walken]

If I say winning is the most important thing then any place I sign has a built-in press release about how great the market/franchise is.

If I tell you the quantity of attractive men is the most important thing to me and then I sign in Edmonton, is that an indication Edmonton has the highest quantity of attractive men or does it suggest my public statements may not have been truthful?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

When you're trading a star player for futures, a lot of the criticism you might receive is muted due to the uncertain nature of the exchange.

'too soon to judge's

But when you're trading a star player, especially a star as bright as gaudreau, and you're getting pieces back to win now, if you don't win NOW it then becomes very easy to criticize the trade, even if in many ways it's just as "too soon to tell" as a futures trade.

This off-season is looking like it could be the worst trade atmosphere of the last 7 years to do a deal, further increasing the potential criticism of the return.

The flames could always keep gaudreau in the end, but will open themselves up to massive criticism should the team experience no extra competitiveness, with an even worse trade climate on the other end of this season with a limited NTC in effect and just a year left on his deal.

I think the very real scenario of trading Johnny for draft picks and using the free cap space to sign Hall exists. In this scenario getting say the 7th overall pick it may tale a few years to see if the deal pans out.

Flames maintain their win now and shake the team up by swapping star left wingers. They also add the top prospect in the organization.

[Moneyhands23]

Geeze all this johnny talk on 960. Friedman sure stirs the pot in Calgary

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

From Frank Servalli:

https://www.tsn.ca/seravalli-at-leas...unch-1.1522380

Lol. The meeting between Hall and coyotes must have been fun. Owner says we want you long term and as an added bonus our payroll will be under $70 million.

[Flash Walken]

It's never been effectively explained to me why a team that finds themselves in a position to draft top 10 is interested in giving that up for perhaps as little as 2 years of Gaudreau

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't really think that happens with players, frankly.

Sure tendencies get exposed and coaches analyze tape, but gaudreaus skills aren't a particular deke on a break away or a one timer from a particular spot, it's elite hockey sense/pick awareness and the hands soft enough to make plays on 90% of what his mind sees developing.

I don't think that's game-plannable.

I think it's plainly obvious that the production isn't there because the effort isn't there because the joy isn't there. I get that everyone views the game differently, but that's what I see.

Barring injury I think it's excellent odds that gaudrwaus first season away from Calgary, whenever that is, is point per game plus.

So you think it’s more likely that he isn’t producing because of his mood over the possibility that teams have figured out how to defend him?
I find his play to be highly predictable and therefore easy to game plan

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

From Frank Servalli:

https://www.tsn.ca/seravalli-at-leas...unch-1.1522380

Sources say the Sabres are considering an internal salary cap in the low $70 million range; the Arizona Coyotes, who recently failed to make on-time signing bonus payments to a number of players, may be operating just south of $70 million under their next GM

Yikes. Failing to pay bonuses can't be good. What are the ramifications?

I can imagine if Hall re-signed at a high price after other players failed to get paid, it would not be good for morale. Especially if the contract included a signing bonus, which it almost certainly would have. It wouldn't have been his fault, but I could see other players on the team resenting it.

They are going to get low-balled by any team trading with them if the trade includes taking back salary.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It's never been effectively explained to me why a team that finds themselves in a position to draft top 10 is interested in giving that up for perhaps as little as 2 years of Gaudreau

Teams that have been in a deep rebuild and looking to push themselves out will make moves for win now players in an effort to do so. Arizona traded the 7th overall pick and Tony Deangelo for Derek Stepan and backup Anti Raanta. The Richards and Carter trades are also good examples. LA was a team wanting to take a big step forward and Columbus was trying to appease their franchise player.

Sounds like New Jersey and Buffalo today doesn’t it? Both teams have been rebuilding for several years and have accumulated high picks. NJ had 2 former 1st overall centers that could use an elite wing man. Buffalo has a disgruntled franchise player they need to appease before he demand a trade.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Teams that have been in a deep rebuild and looking to push themselves out will make moves for win now players in an effort to do so. Arizona traded the 7th overall pick and Tony Deangelo for Derek Stepan and backup Anti Raanta. The Richards and Carter trades are also good examples. LA was a team wanting to take a big step forward and Columbus was trying to appease their franchise player.

Sounds like New Jersey and Buffalo today doesn’t it? Both teams have been rebuilding for several years and have accumulated high picks. NJ had 2 former 1st overall centers that could use an elite wing man. Buffalo has a disgruntled franchise player they need to appease before he demand a trade.

I still don’t buy it. Teams haven’t acted like that in a long time. Even then Carter and Richards were locked up to loooooong term deals, Rantaa was an RFA and Stepan had 4 years on his deal.

I can maybe see the Buffalo scenario happening, but even then I think that would be a mistake on their part.

NJ didn’t just trade Hall for a bunch of futures only to use them on another soon to be UFA winger.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

lol

Arizona is already at $80 million for cap expenditure with roughly half a dozen players to add still. However, they are only at about $61 million in actual salary expenditure.

So they plan on adding those players without adding more than $9 million of real money but at the same time they can't add any cap money.

That will be a fun job.

Hard to believe they were trying so hard to extend Hall, and he certainly can't find them very attractive if winning is paramount.

Where are you getting $61M for the Coyotes? Capfriendly has them at 44M for next yet...

Oh edit, nope nevermind. They already looking at next season. Yeah, that's going to be rough on the Yotes.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Where are you getting $61M for the Coyotes? Capfriendly has them at 44M for next yet...

That's for 2021/2022.

2020/2021 is 61M

[Bonded]

Well whoever thought we get could get Couturier for Gaudreau should kill that idea now

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Well whoever thought we get could get Couturier for Gaudreau should kill that idea now

Doubling down.

[getoverit]

You make it sound like all top 10 make the nhl. How many avg a point a game? He has value and cheap money in big scheme of things. Goes east good chance u can resign.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

It's never been effectively explained to me why a team that finds themselves in a position to draft top 10 is interested in giving that up for perhaps as little as 2 years of Gaudreau

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Rasmus Ristolainen 6'4" 220 lbs
Shoots Right, two more years at 5.4 million.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/rasmus-ristolainen

Burke stated on sportsnet that calgary already nix a trade evolving hi. Cause his numbers were not good I believe

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by David Struch

Rasmus Ristolainen 6'4" 220 lbs
Shoots Right, two more years at 5.4 million.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/rasmus-ristolainen

Yeah. Shame that he totally sucks though.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Demetric

Burke stated on sportsnet that calgary already nix a trade evolving hi. Cause his numbers were not good I believe

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Really embarrassing story