2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by New Era

I don't know. I think the Flames make a deal of Rittich and Ryan to Vegas for Fleury with 25% retained. Puts his contract to $5.25M and is cost neutral in the first year. Vegas saves the following year. I think this is a win-win.

Ew I didn't think I could like a Fleury acquisition but this one doesn't seem awful. Do you think we could get a 2nd or something added? Ryan is still a valuable player and Rittich could have upside.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

Sigalet

Yes, he's had a terrible list of goalies to work with.

[1qqaaz]

The only real problem with Talbot is that he's too old.

I don't see how Fleury as an alternative makes any sense.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Yes, he's had a terrible list of goalies to work with.

Were they really all terrible before coming to the flames?

I think all of those goalies became notably worse once exposed to our franchise.

[dino7c]

MAF is a better goalie than Talbot IMO

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dino7c

MAF is a better goalie than Talbot IMO

I really don't want either guy here from a hockey perspective.

MAF being a Flame would be fun, because I love the player - I just hate the $7M cap-hit. He's just not worth that, which is why I think Vegas has to include a 1st to move him (a 1st that may very well be 31st overall).

Imagine it from Vegas' perspective. I don't think there's any way they go into next season with Fleury around, not after what Walsh did, and not after what they're doing with Lehner. The success Lehner has had? I don't think he hits free agent for even a minute.

MAF has that modified NTC, so there's some control in there too. Vegas will need to sweeten the pot to move the contract - and you know what? They'll still be laughing. If they sign Lehner longterm and all they gave up was a 2nd (to acquire him from CHI) and a 1st to unload Fleury? A 1st and a 2nd for a top-10 goalie locked up long term is 100% worth it.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Were they really all terrible before coming to the flames?

I think all of those goalies became notably worse once exposed to our franchise.

Really? Like who?

Brian Elliott and Mike Smith both owe their pre-Flames success (which isn't much) to Hitchcock and Tippett. Anyone could see their numbers coming down with the Flames.

Jonas Hiller was a trainwreck when he arrived here, that's not on Sigalet either.

Talbot actually did improve with the Flames, while the rest are simply bad goalies.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

Sigalet

Yeah. The worst turd polisher ever.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Really? Like who?

Brian Elliott and Mike Smith both owe their pre-Flames success (which isn't much) to Hitchcock and Tippett. Anyone could see their numbers coming down with the Flames.

Jonas Hiller was a trainwreck when he arrived here, that's not on Sigalet either.

Talbot actually did improve with the Flames, while the rest are simply bad goalies.

Fair. Sigalet may not be the problem as all of these goalies had warts to start with, but IMO it's also clear that he's not part of the solution.

Don't forget Sigalet plays a big role in the development of our prospects in net as well, and helps the organization in building development plans for our goalies.

Gillies, Parsons, and MacDonald were all highly touted coming out of junior. All three were goalies at the WJC level who had good success at that level.

And they just regressed once they joined the Flames organization. Once again it's not all on Sigalet, but he hasn't shown he's able to really help develop a goalie.

Really only Rittich has had any sort of success as a prospect...and even he has been really up and down in his time with the big club.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Really? Like who?

Brian Elliott and Mike Smith both owe their pre-Flames success (which isn't much) to Hitchcock and Tippett. Anyone could see their numbers coming down with the Flames.

Jonas Hiller was a trainwreck when he arrived here, that's not on Sigalet either.

Talbot actually did improve with the Flames, while the rest are simply bad goalies.

This would logically suggest the flames have targeted and acquired inherently bad goaltending for almost a decade. If this is true, we might as well throw in the towel now. However its more likely some of these goalies either had potential that wasn’t realized here or they regressed.

After so many consecutive disappointments in net it is foolish to assume there isn’t an internal problem here

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Gillies, Parsons, and MacDonald were all highly touted coming out of junior. All three were goalies at the WJC level who had good success at that level.

MacDonald highly touted? He was a journeyman backup when he got to Calgary. Surely his junior potential was meaningless by that time.

Gillies and Parsons are highly touted junior goalies that didn't work out, every franchise has a list of those.

I'm not saying Sigalet has done a great job, or even a decent job. I'm simply saying he's likely had the worst list of goalies to work with compared to any other goalie coach in the NHL.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

MacDonald highly touted? He was a journeyman backup when he got to Calgary. Surely his junior potential was meaningless by that time.

Gillies and Parsons are highly touted junior goalies that didn't work out, every franchise has a list of those.

I'm not saying Sigalet has done a great job, or even a decent job. I'm simply saying he's likely had the worst list of goalies to work with compared to any other goalie coach in the NHL.

Mason MacDonald wasn't a journeyman backup.

He was a highly touted 2nd rounder who was on the Canadian World Junior team before joining the Flames organization.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by Corral

This would logically suggest the flames have targeted and acquired inherently bad goaltending for almost a decade. If this is true, we might as well throw in the towel now. However its more likely some of these goalies either had potential that wasn’t realized here or they regressed.

After so many consecutive disappointments in net it is foolish to assume there isn’t an internal problem here

That's exactly my point.

This is on Treliving 100%.

[Hells Bells]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Mason MacDonald wasn't a journeyman backup.

He was a highly touted 2nd rounder who was on the Canadian World Junior team before joining the Flames organization.

Look at the list again..... the only MacDonald is Joey.

I never saw much potential in Mason MacDonald, and I'm a huge PEI Islanders fan.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I really don't want either guy here from a hockey perspective.

MAF being a Flame would be fun, because I love the player - I just hate the $7M cap-hit. He's just not worth that, which is why I think Vegas has to include a 1st to move him (a 1st that may very well be 31st overall).

Imagine it from Vegas' perspective. I don't think there's any way they go into next season with Fleury around, not after what Walsh did, and not after what they're doing with Lehner. The success Lehner has had? I don't think he hits free agent for even a minute.

MAF has that modified NTC, so there's some control in there too. Vegas will need to sweeten the pot to move the contract - and you know what? They'll still be laughing. If they sign Lehner longterm and all they gave up was a 2nd (to acquire him from CHI) and a 1st to unload Fleury? A 1st and a 2nd for a top-10 goalie locked up long term is 100% worth it.

Yeah, I never suggested taking the whole cap hit unless they are giving something or taking someone ect. It's pretty easy to come up with a win/win scenario though IMO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Look at the list again..... the only MacDonald is Joey.

I never saw much potential in Mason MacDonald, and I'm a huge PEI Islanders fan.

He played on some pretty good PEI teams, and his save % always hovered around .900.

He was the number 2 ranked goalie (CSS rankings) at the draft. I think there was maybe one Euro goalie ranked ahead as well.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Since Kipper:
Henrick Karlsson
Reto Berra
Joey MacDonald
Kari Ramo
Joni Ortio
Niklas Backstrom
Jonas Hiller
Brian Elliott
Chad Johnson
Mike Smith
Eddie Lack
Jon Gillies
David Rittich
Cam Talbot

Yeeesh

Most teams cycle through back-ups regularly, so the better view is the number of starters, which isn't necessarily a less grim picture, but perhaps a more accurate way to look at it

Kari Ramo
Jonas Hiller
Brian Elliott
Mike Smith
David Rittich
Cam Talbot

[MrMike]

Such high hopes for Parsons, and before him Gillies.

I don’t think we’ll ever have a home grown goalie again.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Most teams cycle through back-ups regularly, so the better view is the number of starters, which isn't necessarily a less grim picture, but perhaps a more accurate way to look at it

Kari Ramo
Jonas Hiller
Brian Elliott
Mike Smith
David Rittich
Cam Talbot

The rest of the list were goalies on the cusp or at the point of sink or swim in their development. Not necessarily correct to omit them. Its all pretty grizzly no matter which way its sliced honestly.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

MAF is a better goalie than Talbot IMO

But 7m MAF over a 3.5/4m Talbot? Ehh I don't consider him 2x better.