Holding cops accountable for use of excessive force would be a hell of a good start.
agreed.
the extent that "qualified immunity" shelters bad cops is a big issue...of course, having a conservative SCOTUS doesn't help, but it should be even more reason for the democrats to get out and vote, but it doesn't get nearly enough coverage, even in democratic talking points.
I'm curious why you would think that Flames fans would be any different than the population at large? Racism is systemic throughout society. The subset of that society that cheers for red hockey jerseys shouldn't be expected to be any different, nor should it be held to a different standard.
People suck. A whole lot of them. Issues like this bring it to the surface, but the stench is always there.
Sports fans like to think that their fan base is better than others. But its not true. We are largely all alike.
Except Canuck fans. They are awful.
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the extent that "qualified immunity" shelters bad cops is a big issue...of course, having a conservative SCOTUS doesn't help, but it should be even more reason for the democrats to get out and vote, but it doesn't get nearly enough coverage, even in democratic talking points.
I always have a problem with this comment. The Supreme Court is there to follow the law, NOT INVENT LAW. The US Congress (Senate and Congress) enact laws and the Supreme Court enforces. Where you get into a problem is when they start dictating their Feelings into the law. The issue is with "qualified immunity" which needs to be replaced. When the American's can get it through their heads that this is bad then Congress can eliminate it. If the cops are breaking laws in doing their duty they deserve to go to jail - period.
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The reporter said all NBA arenas, the release states all franchise owned arenas. The Brooklyn Nets play out of the Barclays Center but the franchise does not own the building. This is not the only team who does not own their own building. OKC and NOLA, the two next teams I looked up do not own their own buildings either. Now they play in publicly own buildings and one would think that governments could be on board.
Nice try on calling me out though.
You come across as extremely negative and pessimistic to any action trying to find a solution or help with a solution to systematic racism. Why is that?
I searched the thread for Alain Vigneault's name and didn't see anything so I assume this hasn't been discussed... what do people think about this?
For the record, I think Button is nuts.
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I searched the thread for Alain Vigneault's name and didn't see anything so I assume this hasn't been discussed... what do people think about this?
For the record, I think Button is nuts.
"Nuts" seems about as excessive as what Button said.
I think Vigneault's comments were pretty ignorant, but I also think Button's comments were far too harsh. The rest of what Button said (not about Vigneault) I more or less agree with, though.
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Four years ago, what is now known as the Black Lives Matter Global Network began to organize. It started out as a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission was to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.
In the years since, we’ve committed to struggling together and to imagining and creating a world free of anti-Blackness, where every Black person has the social, economic, and political power to thrive.
Black Lives Matter began as a call to action in response to state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Our intention from the very beginning was to connect Black people from all over the world who have a shared desire for justice to act together in their communities. The impetus for that commitment was, and still is, the rampant and deliberate violence inflicted on us by the state.
Enraged by the death of Trayvon Martin and the subsequent acquittal of his killer, George Zimmerman, and inspired by the 31-day takeover of the Florida State Capitol by POWER U and the Dream Defenders, we took to the streets. A year later, we set out together on the Black Lives Matter Freedom Ride to Ferguson, in search of justice for Mike Brown and all of those who have been torn apart by state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racism. Forever changed, we returned home and began building the infrastructure for the Black Lives Matter Global Network, which, even in its infancy, has become a political home for many.
Ferguson helped to catalyze a movement to which we’ve all helped give life. Organizers who call this network home have ousted anti-Black politicians, won critical legislation to benefit Black lives, and changed the terms of the debate on Blackness around the world. Through movement and relationship building, we have also helped catalyze other movements and shifted culture with an eye toward the dangerous impacts of anti-Blackness.
These are the results of our collective efforts.
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Every day, we recommit to healing ourselves and each other, and to co-creating alongside comrades, allies, and family a culture where each person feels seen, heard, and supported.
We acknowledge, respect, and celebrate differences and commonalities.
We work vigorously for freedom and justice for Black people and, by extension, all people.
We intentionally build and nurture a beloved community that is bonded together through a beautiful struggle that is restorative, not depleting.
We are unapologetically Black in our positioning. In affirming that Black Lives Matter, we need not qualify our position. To love and desire freedom and justice for ourselves is a prerequisite for wanting the same for others.
We see ourselves as part of the global Black family, and we are aware of the different ways we are impacted or privileged as Black people who exist in different parts of the world.
We are guided by the fact that all Black lives matter, regardless of actual or perceived sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, economic status, ability, disability, religious beliefs or disbeliefs, immigration status, or location.
We make space for transgender brothers and sisters to participate and lead.
We are self-reflexive and do the work required to dismantle cisgender privilege and uplift Black trans folk, especially Black trans women who continue to be disproportionately impacted by trans-antagonistic violence.
We build a space that affirms Black women and is free from sexism, misogyny, and environments in which men are centered.
We practice empathy. We engage comrades with the intent to learn about and connect with their contexts.
We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.
We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual (unless s/he or they disclose otherwise).
We cultivate an intergenerational and communal network free from ageism. We believe that all people, regardless of age, show up with the capacity to lead and learn.
We embody and practice justice, liberation, and peace in our engagements with one another.
BLM is a Marxist organization who's ultimate goal is not the betterment or creation of a more egalitarian society, but the destruction of it.
Aside for your subjective opinion of BLM being... something. Can you answer the question of what, specifically in the giant selection you quoted, that you take issue with?
You pointed to the page and indicated there was an issue that we would all see reading it. What is it?
I always have a problem with this comment. The Supreme Court is there to follow the law, NOT INVENT LAW. The US Congress (Senate and Congress) enact laws and the Supreme Court enforces. Where you get into a problem is when they start dictating their Feelings into the law. The issue is with "qualified immunity" which needs to be replaced. When the American's can get it through their heads that this is bad then Congress can eliminate it. If the cops are breaking laws in doing their duty they deserve to go to jail - period.
i disagree.
The law is a living document; precedents are established over the course of time and new laws are written to reflect things that never were considered previously.
laws are interpreted and are not black and white.
This is why you often hear of cases where the justices are split, sometimes with a narrow 6-7 decision. This is why stacking the scotus is a major issue. It should not be overwhelming conservative, nor liberal; it should be balanced because laws are always interpreted through the lens of those interpreting it or setting it...
You come across as extremely negative and pessimistic to any action trying to find a solution or help with a solution to systematic racism. Why is that?
Oh, it’s not just on this topic, I’m pretty negative about a lot of topics. Let’s face it the world is messed up right now on so many levels. I will be better after a few drinks. I also believe in calling out reporters and mis information as the media fuels so Many of our current problems.
My job also requires me to be upbeat, positively, motivating and reassuring 50-60 hours a week, and although I’m loving what I’m doing it’s not who I naturally am. So I’m guessing it’s how I find balance? That’s actually kind of sad...
But really on this topic it started because I consider myself an ally to the police, as I have very close connections to the local police department. I have never (I don’t think) once said systemic racism does not exist. Living adjacent to the largest reserve in Canada I see it regularly. I don’t believe presenting facts make one a “racism denier” but I’ve seen others feel differently.
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Aside for your subjective opinion of BLM being... something. Can you answer the question of what, specifically in the giant selection you quoted, that you take issue with?
You pointed to the page and indicated there was an issue that we would all see reading it. What is it?
He doesn't seem to have even a basic understanding of what "Marxism" means.
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Aside for your subjective opinion of BLM being... something. Can you answer the question of what, specifically in the giant selection you quoted, that you take issue with?
You pointed to the page and indicated there was an issue that we would all see reading it. What is it?
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BLM is a Marxist organization who's ultimate goal is not the betterment or creation of a more egalitarian society, but the destruction of it.
I mean, it's been a while since I thumbed through the Communist Manifesto, but I don't recall seeing chapters called "Maybe police shouldn't be disproportionately shooting and killing people of colour", or "Your political activism group should be inclusive of people of any sex, gender, or sexual orientation", but I suppose I could have missed it.
You make a pretty compelling argument though, so I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Clearly BLM don't care about systematic racism, they're just a bunch of dirty Reds!
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He doesn't seem to have even a basic understanding of what "Marxism" means.
I don't think Rebel media or whatever far right media filth these types get their marching orders from but definitions of terms or reasons why is NOT part of the equation. Or it's just beyond their abilities to understand.
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