2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Enoch Root]

yeah, that's a lottery team

[Roof-Daddy]

Sign Hall (7 x $8.00m AAV)
Offer sheet Cirelli (6 x $5.25m AAV) - 2021 1st & 3rd go to TB
Sign Dell (1 x $1.30m AAV)
Sign Rutta (1 x $1.00m AAV)
Qualify Kylington & Gawdin (1 x $787,500 each)
Don't qualify Janko, negotiate a deal (1 x $850,000) or sign some other 4th line C
Sign Rinaldo & Stone (1 x $750,000 each) league min or some other vets

Trade Bennett & Ryan for picks

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Taylor Hall - A. Cirelli - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube
Milan Lucic - Jankowski - Phillips

Rinaldo/Gawdin

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Rutta
Valimaki - Kylington

Stone

Rittich
Dell


$377k cap space left haha

D is scary on paper but that's a loaded forward core.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

I don’t see many scenarios where this makes our roster any better.

Czarnik, Gawdin and Phillips in the bottom 6?

I don’t really see how that makes our bottom 6 production any better and that has been a major hinderance to the team this year.

Not to mention losing Backlund and Gaudreau in the top 6 for player unknown and Hall.

In Bennett’s case I hope we keep him and play him on the 3rd line with someone he has actually shown some chemistry with in Dube.

Not to pick your idea apart but do you actually think Gawdin and Phillips are both ready for regular NHL duty and Czarnik as well?

Our depth will be non-existent if we run into injuries.

Yeah, I do. Gawdin put up 38 points in 64 games in his first AHL season. In his second AHL season, he has 47 points in 53 games and leads the team. Phillips is similar. As for Czarnik, he was playing well before the injury, played well in the AHL.. if he gets a few games to close out the season and does well, why not bring him back?

Why not give them a fair shot in training camp at least? These are players who are producing in the AHL level so let's see what they have. If they completely falter, then bring in someone else. I mean, this is why good teams get random young players breaking out all the time.. or even a guy like David Moss for the Flames. I don't get what the point is keeping these players in the minor leagues until they are 23-24 and releasing them because either they lose confidence or were never given a chance.

As for Gaudreau and Backlund.. Imo Backlund is overrated and overpaid. Good 3rd line player but expensive.

As for the unknown player, I feel like the Flames can get a solid Top 6 player by trading Gaudreau, Bennett, and Backlund. The unknown player can be a legitimate top 6 player, not a rookie.

The unknown player can be someone like Sam Reinhart or Jakub Voracek or Travis Konecny

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane

vs

Hall-Monahan-Voracek
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane

Personally, I like the second one better. There is still Ryan and Dube on the third line as well. Keep in mind, I do think Hall = Gaudreau

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

yeah, that's a lottery team

What a useless post. Please explain how that is a lottery team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by keenan87

What a useless post. Please explain how that is a lottery team.

they are a lottery team because they wouldn't be good enough to make the playoffs

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Sign Hall (7 x $8.00m AAV)
Offer sheet Cirelli (6 x $5.25m AAV) - 2021 1st & 3rd go to TB
Sign Dell (1 x $1.30m AAV)
Sign Rutta (1 x $1.00m AAV)
Qualify Kylington & Gawdin (1 x $787,500 each)
Don't qualify Janko, negotiate a deal (1 x $850,000) or sign some other 4th line C
Sign Rinaldo & Stone (1 x $750,000 each) league min or some other vets

Trade Bennett & Ryan for picks

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Taylor Hall - A. Cirelli - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube
Milan Lucic - Jankowski - Phillips

Rinaldo/Gawdin

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Rutta
Valimaki - Kylington

Stone

Rittich
Dell


$377k cap space left haha

D is scary on paper but that's a loaded forward core.

You lost me at Junkowski

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Sign Hall (7 x $8.00m AAV)
Offer sheet Cirelli (6 x $5.25m AAV) - 2021 1st & 3rd go to TB
Sign Dell (1 x $1.30m AAV)
Sign Rutta (1 x $1.00m AAV)
Qualify Kylington & Gawdin (1 x $787,500 each)
Don't qualify Janko, negotiate a deal (1 x $850,000) or sign some other 4th line C
Sign Rinaldo & Stone (1 x $750,000 each) league min or some other vets

Trade Bennett & Ryan for picks

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Taylor Hall - A. Cirelli - Tkachuk
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube
Milan Lucic - Jankowski - Phillips

Rinaldo/Gawdin

Giordano - Andersson
Hanifin - Rutta
Valimaki - Kylington

Stone

Rittich
Dell


$377k cap space left haha

D is scary on paper but that's a loaded forward core.

We will win all the 7-6 games.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

You lost me at Junkowski

Phew, luckily he was all the way at the bottom and I even said you could snag another 4th line C in free agency instead lol

You saw that top 6 and even top 9 though right?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The unknown player can be someone like Sam Reinhart or Jakub Voracek or Travis Konecny

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane

vs

Hall-Monahan-Voracek
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane

Personally, I like the second one better. There is still Ryan and Dube on the third line as well. Keep in mind, I do think Hall = Gaudreau

No chance that we get Konecny in a gaudreau trade, and getting Voracek would be cap suicide. 0 interest.

S Reinhart coming back with Buffalo's first pick is something i can imagine.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Yeah, I do. Gawdin put up 38 points in 64 games in his first AHL season. In his second AHL season, he has 47 points in 53 games and leads the team. Phillips is similar. As for Czarnik, he was playing well before the injury, played well in the AHL.. if he gets a few games to close out the season and does well, why not bring him back?

Why not give them a fair shot in training camp at least? These are players who are producing in the AHL level so let's see what they have. If they completely falter, then bring in someone else. I mean, this is why good teams get random young players breaking out all the time.. or even a guy like David Moss for the Flames. I don't get what the point is keeping these players in the minor leagues until they are 23-24 and releasing them because either they lose confidence or were never given a chance.

As for Gaudreau and Backlund.. Imo Backlund is overrated and overpaid. Good 3rd line player but expensive.

As for the unknown player, I feel like the Flames can get a solid Top 6 player by trading Gaudreau, Bennett, and Backlund. The unknown player can be a legitimate top 6 player, not a rookie.

The unknown player can be someone like Sam Reinhart or Jakub Voracek or Travis Konecny

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane

vs

Hall-Monahan-Voracek
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane

Personally, I like the second one better. There is still Ryan and Dube on the third line as well. Keep in mind, I do think Hall = Gaudreau

Flames can’t sign Hall and acquire the more expensive Voracek.

I think the first top 6 is better than your second one.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Flames can’t sign Hall and acquire the more expensive Voracek.

I think the first top 6 is better than your second one.

I think if funny how so many claim we can't afford to keep Gaudreau and sign Hall, then have us trading for salaries that would not alleviate the problem but still signing Hall.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I think if funny how so many claim we can't afford to keep Gaudreau and sign Hall, then have us trading for salaries that would not alleviate the problem but still signing Hall.

In the case of Voarcek, not only does it not alleviate the problem, but it makes the cap situation notably worse for a longer period of time.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by keenan87

The way I like to see forwards next year:

Hall-Monahan-???
Tkachuk-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Czarnik-Ryan-Dube
Lucic-Gawdin-Phillips

Trade chips to acquire top line RW - Gaudreau, Backlund, Bennett

Czarnik (thankfully) won't be Flames property in a few weeks. Mangipagne, Dube, and Phillips may be the weakest RW in the league. That's an awfully small soft lineup that I can't see making the playoffs regardless of what you add on RW.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

In the case of Voarcek, not only does it not alleviate the problem, but it makes the cap situation notably worse for a longer period of time.

But you're okay with giving an unproven player a 750% raise for six years? What happens if this Cirelli kid proves to be nothing more than a third or fourth liner on a team that is stacked like the Lightning? You then have a contract worse than Backlund's and approaching Lucics. Way too much risk in an offersheet for a player of that caliber. You save offersheets for difference makers, and third line players are rarely difference makers.

On the Voracek add, the intent was to move Backlund, so you are only taking on an an additional $2.9M. For a top ten RW I think that is worth the squeeze. He's proven, consistent, and doesn't come with any contract conditions that would make him unmovable.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by New Era

But you're okay with giving an unproven player a 750% raise for six years? What happens if this Cirelli kid proves to be nothing more than a third or fourth liner on a team that is stacked like the Lightning? You then have a contract worse than Backlund's and approaching Lucics. Way too much risk in an offersheet for a player of that caliber. You save offersheets for difference makers, and third line players are rarely difference makers.

Yes. Yes yes yes. 1000 x yes.

Cirelli is an excellent hockey player and if the Flames can get him signed to a deal like that and only lose a 1st and 3rd they had better do it.

Cirelli had only the 8th most PP time of all the Bolt forwards but still scored at a 0.65 point per game clip....as a 22 year old sophomore.

So far in his career he's started in the Dzone 54.5% of the time, but still has a 53.3% corsi% and a 52.7% fenwick%. He's a defensive dynamo, and tilts the ice the right way when he's on it.

Despite being just 22, he led the entire Bolts forward group in penalty kill ice time..by a full 42 minutes total.

He was the 2nd line center on like what...the 3rd or 4th best team in the league?

His points per 60 minutes 5 on 5 was 1.91 despite being used in a defensive role. That'd put him 3rd on the Flames last year behind Tkachuk and Mangiapane.

He's a smart, two way player that works his butt off, he'd be an amazing addition. He's not an "elite" guy offensively, but he contributes to winning hockey games. Just look at the way he's utilized by one of the best teams in the league.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yes. Yes yes yes. 1000 x yes.

Cirelli is an excellent hockey player and if the Flames can get him signed to a deal like that and only lose a 1st and 3rd they had better do it.

Cirelli had only the 8th most PP time of all the Bolt forwards but still scored at a 0.65 point per game clip....as a 22 year old sophomore.

So far in his career he's started in the Dzone 54.5% of the time, but still has a 53.3% corsi% and a 52.7% fenwick%. He's a defensive dynamo, and tilts the ice the right way when he's on it.

Despite being just 22, he led the entire Bolts forward group in penalty kill ice time..by a full 42 minutes total.

He was the 2nd line center on like what...the 3rd or 4th best team in the league?

His points per 60 minutes 5 on 5 was 1.91 despite being used in a defensive role. That'd put him 3rd on the Flames last year behind Tkachuk and Mangiapane.

He's a smart, two way player that works his butt off, he'd be an amazing addition. He's not an "elite" guy offensively, but he contributes to winning hockey games. Just look at the way he's utilized by one of the best teams in the league.

This.

It’s why you have scouts and analytic guys.

If they tell you he’s the real deal, you trust them.


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

This.

It’s why you have scouts and analytic guys.

If they tell you he’s the real deal, you trust them.


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He reminds me off ROR back when he first came into the league. Hard worker, does the little things to win, smart, strong defensively. Consistently more takeaways than giveaways, and like ROR the offense will likely improve too because of the smarts and hard work.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by New Era

But you're okay with giving an unproven player a 750% raise for six years? What happens if this Cirelli kid proves to be nothing more than a third or fourth liner on a team that is stacked like the Lightning? You then have a contract worse than Backlund's and approaching Lucics.

You are okay chasing Morgan Frost as the offensive centerpiece of a Gaudreau trade who is worth far more than the 1st+3rd compensation the offer sheet would cost. Cirelli has 94pts in 168 games yet he is more of a gamble than a guy with 7 in 20?

[Scroopy Noopers]

“The Trade is One for One”

Hall - Couturier - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Monahan - Mangiapane
Bennett - Backlund - Dube
Milan Lucic - Ryan - Phillips

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

“The Trade is One for One”

Hall - Couturier - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Monahan - Mangiapane
Bennett - Backlund - Dube
Milan Lucic - Ryan - Phillips

You are not getting couturier for Johnny.