Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Of all the coverage, including black community leaders making speeches in various cities across the country today, you instead choose to share self-destructive behavior in a left-wing movement. And that's not a bad thing, it just matches your political ideology.

The people turning protests into riots are bad actors. Most of the protesters recognize that - as the video and other posted videos show. The fact many of those trying to ratchet up the violence look to be bandana-wearing white anarchists, and those restraining them are black protesters, is noteworthy.

Some of us don't want to see anyone beaten, shot with rubber bullets, or have rocks thrown at them. Or see any buildings burned down, stores looted, or businesses destroyed. Is that really a partisan stance?

And whether or not you call them Antifa, there absolutely is a movement of radical anarchists who flock to any sort of large-scale protest with the aim to turn it violent. The guy in the video had a rock hammer and a plan to break up paving stones and use them as weapons. That isn't spur-of-the-moment anger. It's premeditated political violence. Has tribalism gone so far that some people can't even acknowledge that violent far-left radicals exist?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Reporters refuse to call a spade a spade.

A lot of reporters refuse to call mobs burning cars, looting stores, and throwing rocks at police a riot. Tribal allegiances colour everything we see and read in 2020.

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Thanks for telling me what I meant, I wouldn't know if it wasn't for you.

If I meant push, I'd have said push. I don't exactly mince words.

Gimme a break dude. You knew exactly what you were leading to while posting. You used "fell" in quotations because its someone else's word not the one you would use.

You know why their lawyer has pulled back accusations? Body worn cameras.

You mince words, that's exactly what you do.

[Titan]

Originally Posted by BlAcKNoVa

https://abc7news.com/federal-officer...ource/6221576/

https://twitter.com/PhillyPolice/sta...26130050842625

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I find this is all too common on most news coverage I’ve watched. Reporters refuse to call a spade a spade.

You really sure that is the phrase you want to use in this?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spade

[Titan]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Just a few blocks away from me in Vancouver at the VAG this afternoon.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1267282770767695872

No comment. Just, once again realizing I miss Fotze.

(Not sure if activeStick gets this but it is just a dumb joke, not a personal attack.)

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The people close to the camera do look to have kept some distance between themselves. I will assume the other side of the group that looks like they are standing on top of each other are similar despite the camera angle.

I do agree that it's not great for controlling the pandemic. But they are outside, if they were wearing masks and keeping distance - may not be as bad as you'd expect.

CBC did a short piece on the Vancouver protest late last night, and it did look like everyone was wearing masks and were trying to keep at least a bit of distance from each other. Hopefully any spike in cases will be minimal.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Gimme a break dude. You knew exactly what you were leading to while posting. You used "fell" in quotations because its someone else's word not the one you would use.

You know why their lawyer has pulled back accusations? Body worn cameras.

You mince words, that's exactly what you do.

No, I don't mince words. It's wonderful that you, who knows nothing about me is so self-important that you can tell me what I mean and how I behave though.

They pulled back accusations because they don't know for sure and are avoiding a slander suit. But even when pulling the statement back they mention her calling out for her mom to help her. The backing off is no more than lip-service just in case.

I don't know if she jumped, was pushed, or if some sort of accident happened and I'm not pretending to know what happened. All we know is she "fell" to her death, again I use it in quotations for the reasons stated above.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

A lot of reporters refuse to call mobs burning cars, looting stores, and throwing rocks at police a riot. Tribal allegiances colour everything we see and read in 2020.

I’m gonna need some evidence on that one because I’ve seen the word riot used about 10000 times. The only thing I’ve seen remotely close is media trying to differentiate between protesters, rioters and looters. Not once did it seem like the media were afraid to use the word riot.

[GreenLantern]

Isn’t Calgary planning a similar protest today? Please social distance if you are attending. If possible or in any form, even two feet instead of one. Please wear a mask. Some of us on the frontlines are still knee deep in Covid if the world cares anymore. Or maybe everyone is to busy looting Nike shoes in the name of Justice.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

No, I don't mince words. It's wonderful that you, who knows nothing about me is so self-important that you can tell me what I mean and how I behave though.

They pulled back accusations because they don't know for sure and are avoiding a slander suit. But even when pulling the statement back they mention her calling out for her mom to help her. The backing off is no more than lip-service just in case.

I don't know if she jumped, was pushed, or if some sort of accident happened and I'm not pretending to know what happened. All we know is she "fell" to her death, again I use it in quotations for the reasons stated above.

You know this how? You have so much inside info yet all I keep seeing is reports that the family are backtracking because every single piece of evidence shows they were totally wrong to blame police.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

I’m gonna need some evidence on that one because I’ve seen the word riot used about 10000 times. The only thing I’ve seen remotely close is media trying to differentiate between protesters, rioters and looters. Not once did it seem like the media were afraid to use the word riot.

I've yet to see the Globe and Mail, the CBC, the Atlantic, or the Guardian use the word "riot" in this story. And the only time I've seen the New York Times use the word was in an opinion column yesterday. And I go the websites of the above every day.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I've yet to see the Globe and Mail, the CBC, the Atlantic, or the Guardian use the word "riot" in this story. And the only time I've seen the New York Times use the word was in an opinion column.

So your evidence is that you’re avoiding news reporting on the riots?

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

You know this how? You have so much inside info yet all I keep seeing is reports that the family are backtracking because every single piece of evidence shows they were totally wrong to blame police.

There has literally been no evidence released. Literally all that is being said is that it is being investigated.

And it's obvious that it is lip service by the family still mentioning her calling out for her mom's help. They are still saying the same thing, just without the risk of slander. It's really not that hard to see.

[Titan]

For me, one of the most jarring aspects of the riots is seeing the conduct of SOME police in action. I generally support the police and think they do a good job in a tough situation.

However, seeing the bullying, assaulting, jackbooted behaviour, at a time when the eyes of the world are on them, is truly terrifying. I don't know if a lot of people needed to be convinced that this stuff happens but they are sure providing all the possible evidence that it does happen. And, the actions are not restricted to just POC but to everyone they feel is a target. Pepper spraying a reporter laying prone with is press pass is criminal. Shoving a woman so she hits her head is criminal. Hit and run? Criminal.

The one that is bothering me a lot is the two kids that got tased in their car. The list of bad things is quite long but it struck me that a couple of the cops were black. I suppose a black cop can still be racist. I think that one cop would have killed the kid if the others did not stop him. That whole thing was a bad situation but it clearly demonstrates what happens when cops see red. When the cop tries to jack the kid out of the car and he pulled away, if another cop sees that he thinks the kid just tried to kill the cop. Full red, and then the rest is what happens. Really a bad situation and demonstrates how quickly they go from rational to full red.

Plus the dick that flattened both tires. That was not necessary. The car was stopped. It just seemed so gratuitous.

Full credit to the Atlanta PD who fired the cops and released all the body cam footage. Very transparent and is good to see.

Really sad and scary. And I am a middle-aged white dude in Canada. I can't imagine being a POC and dealing with cops, knowing that any one of them could be one of those guys. Truly heartbreaking.

[PsYcNeT]

Man and people wonder why print media is dying

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

So they are planning to protest until...? The guy is arrested? Done. The judicial system prosecutes the guy arrested? This is going to happen every night for a year?

Police treat them differently as they violently destroy the city ?

The cause and effect here is going to be the exact opposite of what they want with these methods of “protest”.

Yeah, again, if you’re jumping into the thread after 900+ posts and asking questions that have been discussed to death (and require more than a simple response) then you just need to put in the effort to read either the thread or some articles (of which many have been posted in this thread!)

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

Gimme a break dude. You knew exactly what you were leading to while posting. You used "fell" in quotations because its someone else's word not the one you would use.

You know why their lawyer has pulled back accusations? Body worn cameras.

You mince words, that's exactly what you do.

I think we can all agree that whatever we think of each other, this habit you (and a few others have) of hearing someone explain themselves, and saying “no you actually meant this other things/actually I know your real intentions - and here’s my response to that” has really got to stop.

I think we can all accept initial misunderstandings, but if someone goes to the effort of clarifying what they meant, and you’re going to dispute that, then you need to grow up because you’re just picking fights at that point.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Titan

You really sure that is the phrase you want to use in this?

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=spade

I had zero idea that was the origin of that phrase.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I've yet to see the Globe and Mail, the CBC, the Atlantic, or the Guardian use the word "riot" in this story. And the only time I've seen the New York Times use the word was in an opinion column yesterday. And I go the websites of the above every day.

Well you are correct on the word riot at least on the NY Times. On their front page right now I see these words talking about the protests without scrolling or clicking anything:
-Mayhem
-descended into chaos
-violence
-destruction

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

So your evidence is that you’re avoiding news reporting on the riots?

I read four or five mainstream news sources every day. How is that avoiding news reporting?

My point stands. Owing to their tribal allegiances, the news outlets I cited are not using the word ‘riot’. The difference between ‘protests’ and ‘riots’ should be the behaviour of the crowd, not how sympathetic the news source is to their cause. But those are the times we live in.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I had zero idea that was the origin of that phrase.

It’s not. They’re unrelated in any fashion, the saying is far older than the term.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...-spade-a-spade

Words change yes but not everything is always racist