[PGT] Broons 4 Flams 3

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by AC

Alrighty then. Too bad Tkachuk wasn't noticeable with the puck outside of the first few minutes then.

All I'm saying is: for $7M I expect him to make a play or 2 with the puck in the final 55 minutes or so. He had 2 passing options on the PP along the boards and went between his legs to turn it over and ice our best chance at tying it up.

I think it's fair to expect more from our top players.

What is your expectation for 23? Tkachuk is the absolute least of this team’s problems.

[flamingred89]

Originally Posted by BigRed

You probably need a different hobby.

Or you know, frustrated?

But hey. I should stop watching the Flames because i’m Annoyed at losing. Attitudes like that are why it’s been ok to be mediocre for 30+ years. You’re allowed to be mad you know?

[Ferarri]

The coaching debate can not excuse the poor play and execution from our best players. This core has failed and the writing has been on the wall since last years all star break. It’s time to re-tool and make the call to stop chasing the illusion of a miracle run like 04.

Teams like Boston are elite and are structured to play a dominating game that ensures success. Management needs to realize that the Flames are not one piece away from becoming a true contender.

Let’s not make the mistake of holding on to players and losing lucrative trade opportunities. Even though I’m sure management realizes this deep down, it will be ownership that dictates the course of action moving forward. Unfortunately the allure of a few home playoff games will negate the need to do a proper re-tooling.

[Voodooman]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I agree, but they shouldn't need to be told some of the basic #### they fail to do.

But isn’t the issue that there are seemingly zero consequences when they fail to do that ####? Everyone just does whatever the f they please, and the coaching team just sort of shrugs.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

They were up 3-1, and instead of keeping everyone behind the puck and making the Bruins work for space, they pinched D consistently, even giving up a breakaway. Not acceptable.

The what 8th or 9th defenceman made a bad mistake for a breakaway...the other two goals were bad bounces. It's not like the Flames were gonna lock it down for 56 mins...then we would complain they sat back. If they were up by two in the third you would have a point

[AC]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

What is your expectation for 23? Tkachuk is the absolute least of this team’s problems.

As I said: "I think it's fair to expect more from our top players."

Monahan is absolutely included in that.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I think a better coach would challenge those players who don't do those things you're referring to start from scratch and truly earn their ice time, even if it means more 2-1 games instead of 4-3 games. It's not about telling guys to mindlessly dump and chase either. Playing the right way doesn't mean that.

There's a lack of accountability on this team, and you see it when a guy like Mike Stone leapfrogs Kylington into a top 4 role simply for being older.

Those guys and Bennett are not the guys who, consistently, are supposed to win games for you over a season and the playoffs.

Their job is to help you not to lose.

None of them have been great at either up to this point.

They need more from their top guys, IMO.

[calgarywinning]

This game was reflective of the bipolar team, the Flames are up and down, on top of the world; in a deep dark hell.

They can't win at home they can win on the road. They can't string a solid effort together amongst all of them yet individuals have moments.

The team just folds in the face of adversity.

Coaching aside, the GM'ing that has got us here, is time for a refresh. The ownership that has got us here, is time for a refresh.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by timbit

Any suggestions ?

Mine would be Darryl Sutter.

One of my favorite quotes from him.

“Players are motivated in one or both of two ways only. Positive or negative energy. I don’t care which one I need to employ. Their performance will dictate it.”

Some current players need to know why Bergeron Marchand and Pasternak excel 95 % of the games they play.

They know that their best is the only bar, every game.

They have to want it.

There's no coach there in August when the gym is stifling. No motivational speeches at 6 am for the first of two workouts.

There's no coach there monitoring their diet on an offday.

It's not just geography that has Marchand, MacKinnon and Crosby training together in the offseason. They want to be the best.

[BigRed]

Originally Posted by flamingred89

Or you know, frustrated?

But hey. I should stop watching the Flames because i’m Annoyed at losing. Attitudes like that are why it’s been ok to be mediocre for 30+ years. You’re allowed to be mad you know?

Sure. But this is supposed to be fun. I know losing isn't fun, but that was an enjoyable game and a more than respectable effort against a team we're overmatched against. Neither you nor I can do a thing about what happens on the ice, and lord know there have been some brutal games this year. This wasn't one of them.

[Saint Troy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

The what 8th or 9th defenceman made a bad mistake for a breakaway...the other two goals were bad bounces. It's not like the Flames were gonna lock it down for 56 mins...then we would complain they sat back. If they were up by two in the third you would have a point

If you’re ok with a participation ribbon for this group at this point in the season, by all means fill your boots.

[CaptainYooh]

I don’t know why is everyone so hard on the team tonight. This was one of those games. They played really hard and wanted to win, but Boston was just one goal better. Plus, Talbot was awful in the beginning allowing 3 goals on 6 shots... but so was Halak. Tough loss, yeah, but if we lose a game, I’d rather we lose games like this one.

[Fischy13]

Was at the game, now listening to the Fan960 and the coaches take. They feel good about this game...? Honestly didn’t see it personally.

The passing is atrocious. Taking players from a position of facing the net, to spinning around and turned towards their own goal. Passes bobbling, in feet, unnecessary off the boards, not hitting the open guy, instead hitting the guys with opposition on them. It’s garbage. What’s with having it in the slot, no better spot to shoot from and passing it wide to the boards??

Pucks hung around in no mans land, Flames rarely got to any of them. Most, didn’t even try. Shooting, taking shots as the window closes or the player gets them. Shoot! Right away. So many chances and they delay too much.

The defense, was terrible. How many stretch passes did Boston try and generate offense. Couple times, out forward was the only one back. Lucic, made a nice diving play to knock the puck away.

Their play was absolute garbage. Never seen an NHL game with that much poor play. It takes a lot for me to be disappointed, don’t say much about it. This, was terrible hockey. Dumb decisions and poor execution.

[GullFoss]

There were positives in the game.

(1) Another data point to suggest Johnny is playing his best hockey in over a season. Which implies the first line will soon break out.

(2). We have a high quality third line with Dube, Lucic and Bennet

(3) Mangiapane continues to look like he fits on the 3M line

If the flames have three lines firing for the last 20 games and into the playoffs, they're going to be just fine.

The only trade Tre needs to make is Jankowski for a RW, so we can have Ryan center the fourth line.

[oldschoolcalgary]

meh, i thought this team should be selling at the deadline, or at the very worse, staying pat...

i honestly don't get the ppl that continually say "you can't win every game"... i mean, obviously that's the case; no team in history has gone undefeated.

but using the same explanation in explaining away losses to teams like Ottawa, Mtl and LA by saying things like "even Tampa Bay or Boston loses games" is a straw man argument... sure those teams can lose those games because they win a ton of other games.

The flames simply do not have a margin for error. Losing to Boston isn't a big deal only if you are beating the bottom of the barrel teams. Losing to Boston, while simultaneously losing to bottom feeders, carries zero weight as a cogent argument.

[Dion]

I thought the Flames deserved a better fate. They competed hard and tightened things up after the first 10 minutes. There were times when they tried to make an extra pass when they had a good shooting lane and then there were the bad bounces that lead to a couple goals by the Bruins.

I think it's a good thing that every game from now to the seasons end is a must win situation. Should they make the playoffs their mind frame will be a lot better than last year when they a spot locked up early.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

meh, i thought this team should be selling at the deadline, or at the very worse, staying pat...

i honestly don't get the ppl that continually say "you can't win every game"... i mean, obviously that's the case; no team in history has gone undefeated.

but using the same explanation in explaining away losses to teams like Ottawa, Mtl and LA by saying things like "even Tampa Bay or Boston loses games" is a straw man argument... sure those teams can lose those games because they win a ton of other games.

The flames simply do not have a margin for error. Losing to Boston isn't a big deal only if you are beating the bottom of the barrel teams. Losing to Boston, while simultaneously losing to bottom feeders, carries zero weight as a cogent argument.

I feel like this message should be playing on a bio recorder/playback in bioshock or fallout 4 as a clue to where this team is now officially. Lol.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Saint Troy

If you’re ok with a participation ribbon for this group at this point in the season, by all means fill your boots.

What does me being "okay" have to do with anything...and you not being okay changes what exactly? I was giving my assessment of the game. That effort wins most nights in this league IMO. It's too bad that hasn't been the norm but this game is not why they are in the spot they are in. If they miss the playoffs I won't be lamenting tonight's game

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

I feel like this message should be playing on a bio recorder/playback in bioshock or fallout 4 as a clue to where this team is now officially. Lol.

I don't understand what this means. Not at all.

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[Dion]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

This team needs more than a "little" help.

Give some credit for being without Gio and Hammer...but scoring? Or maybe even basic puck skills. Basic coaching, too.

I agree about the defence. Given the injuries they've done better than what I expected. My only issue with the offence is don't shoot enough. Get more pucks to the net and maybe one goes in or you create more chances off of rebounds.