[PGT] Edmonton Oilers lose the Stanley Cup | Flames 4 - Oilers 3 (SO)

[sa226]

I really wish the Gio/McDavid play didn't happen, because it's going to dominate the Oilers and probably national media until Saturday and probably beyond.

Its going to distract from the actual story of the Oilers losing again.



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[Looch City]

Originally Posted by sa226

I really wish the Gio/McDavid play didn't happen, because it's going to dominate the Oilers and probably national media until Saturday and probably beyond.

Its going to distract from the actual story of the Oilers losing again.



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Really, let it. We got our 6 points from them already.

They're not even the slightest bit worried about the losses.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by sa226

I really wish the Gio/McDavid play didn't happen, because it's going to dominate the Oilers and probably national media until Saturday and probably beyond.

Its going to distract from the actual story of the Oilers losing again.



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I don't think anyting could distract me from the fact the Flames won last night. Not even work!

[dino7c]

Gagner's play was way more dangerous

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by sa226

I really wish the Gio/McDavid play didn't happen, because it's going to dominate the Oilers and probably national media until Saturday and probably beyond.

Its going to distract from the actual story of the Oilers losing again.



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Lol let them have it, it will make it all the better when we beat them again on Saturday. We can continue on with our lives in the mean time not thinking about it while they constantly dwell on it and knash their teeth and convince their players that they need to retaliate in some stupid way.

[Igottago]

The Gio play is a minor penalty, that's about the extent of it. It wasn't an egregious take out a guys knee situation. I don't think it gets looked at by the league.

Bringing up McDavid's injury from last year is irrelevant. That was just Gio playing normal NHL defense. Unless you think players shouldn't be allowed to impede McDavid going to the net, there was nothing at all wrong there, it just unfortunately resulted in an injury. It doesn't need to be part of this discussion, but people will make it so.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It's a shame people let what the broadcast crew say or think bother them so much. The game is on the ice.

Sure, and a great game it was

But the PBP overlays that game, and every minute between whistles is another opportunity to entertain the other fanbase watching the game. I think it's reasonable that fans of the other side could be frustrated that there's no content geared towards them - or at the very least a neutral audience.

This also isn't the St. Louis network covering the team... this is the Alberta coverage on the only network that is allowed to cover our team. Pretty bull#### if you ask me.



But this does also impact the game on the ice. This Kassian garbage is absolutely fueled by the media and now we have this Kneeorgano nonsense. If the Edmonton fans need this influenced analysis of what happened on the ice to enjoy hockey, so be it. But for entertainment, laughing at it only entertains for so long.

If you're an Oilers, Senators, Canucks, Jets, Maple Leafs, or Canadiens fan... you're served. If this was an unbiased hype of 2 hockey teams playing a hard-fought hockey game with a re-match on Saturday, I'm pretty happy - but it's not that.



It's entertaining in doses, but I would have LOVED to see good coverage of last night's game.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If you want to pile on Gio for every hit he has ever made HF is the place for you

Jesus Christ, I really don't remember you being this flippant. Who hurt you?

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I disagree that he leads with his knee, no player wants their primary point of contact to be their knee, because that play is dangerous for both players.

Leads with his knee is the wrong term here. Makes sure he makes contact with the knee would be a better way to word it.

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Bringing conversation back to last nights example, I think that it pales in comparison to any of the four examples we talked about. 1) no one was hurt 2) it was an entirely different point of contact on both players. If it were between any two other players, no one would be talking about it. But because of the narrative surrounding it, it has legs.

Like I said, I'd want to see another angle before I say one way or another on this hit. I can't tell if the leg goes out far or if it is just the hip. But his past is why he's getting no benefit of the doubt from some.

[dino7c]

Flames beat the Oilers again...Ward is 3-0 against them

Or we could talk about Gio almost hitting someone all day

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Leads with his knee is the wrong term here. Makes sure he makes contact with the knee would be a better way to word it.

Look, I don't want to get into a pissing match about a play that happened 3 years ago. But makes sure? You realize that these plays happen more quickly then it is humanly possible to control ones body right? Obviously the knee is the principle point of contact, not good, still the way that he positions his body is shoulder first. He wiffs and catches the knee. Again, ugly, no one wants that to happen, least of all Gio. Just because we have the privilege of watching it over and over, and slowing it down does not mean that plays like this don't develop in a fraction of a second.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

I'm going to need to see another vid of that Gio play, I certainly don't remember leading with his knee, or sticking his knee out or anything vicious at all. Wasn't it his hip or butt? I did have a few drinks so maybe my memory is a bit fuzzy, but it seemed like a nothing play until McDavid was freaking out on the bench and Louie started going on and on about it. If it was intentional by Gio to hurt or something then I'll take it back, but it seemed like a nothing play to me. But it's McDavid, so of course everybody needs to freak out.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames beat the Oilers again...Ward is 3-0 against them

Or we could talk about Gio almost hitting someone all day

Here's an interesting nugget:

The Oilers have a 5-1-2 record in January, and a 6-2-2 record since Christmas. Their two regulation losses were 27 Dec v. Calgary, and 11 Jan @ Calgary. Three of their four losses have been to the Flames, with two of those occurring in Edmonton.

The Flames are in the Oilers's heads, and Edmonton is no good.

[Red]

Originally Posted by Split98

Sure, and a great game it was

But the PBP overlays that game, and every minute between whistles is another opportunity to entertain the other fanbase watching the game. I think it's reasonable that fans of the other side could be frustrated that there's no content geared towards them - or at the very least a neutral audience.

This also isn't the St. Louis network covering the team... this is the Alberta coverage on the only network that is allowed to cover our team. Pretty bull#### if you ask me.



But this does also impact the game on the ice. This Kassian garbage is absolutely fueled by the media and now we have this Kneeorgano nonsense. If the Edmonton fans need this influenced analysis of what happened on the ice to enjoy hockey, so be it. But for entertainment, laughing at it only entertains for so long.

If you're an Oilers, Senators, Canucks, Jets, Maple Leafs, or Canadiens fan... you're served. If this was an unbiased hype of 2 hockey teams playing a hard-fought hockey game with a re-match on Saturday, I'm pretty happy - but it's not that.



It's entertaining in doses, but I would have LOVED to see good coverage of last night's game.

Just to add here. Last night was annoying because they completely ignored events that happened, but were in favor of the Flames while manufactured events to talk up the Oilers or diss the Flames.



Where was the talk about Gagner making the most dangerous play of the game? Would anyone be surprised is he got a fine or a game for it?

Where was the extended analysis of the puck on the goal line? They usually discuss such things between periods.
Where was the outrage for Nurse running Chucky in to the boards?
Smith trapazoid infraction?


Instead they talk about the "almost" trip by Gio,

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Or we could talk about Gio almost hitting someone all day

Well only because you want too.

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Look, I don't want to get into a pissing match about a play that happened 3 years ago. But makes sure? You realize that these plays happen more quickly then it is humanly possible to control ones body right? Obviously the knee is the principle point of contact, not good, still the way that he positions his body is shoulder first. He wiffs and catches the knee. Again, ugly, no one wants that to happen, least of all Gio. Just because we have the privilege of watching it over and over, and slowing it down does not mean that plays like this don't develop in a fraction of a second.

The way I see it, the way his body is positioned as he lines that hit up, he was going to make contact with the knees one way or another. But that's hypothetical on my part.


At best, it's a hit that was a reckless, and super late in forming so it ended up becoming a knee-on-knee which is real bad. And it seems to happen with Gio a bit too frequently for my liking.

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I'm going to need to see another vid of that Gio play, I certainly don't remember leading with his knee, or sticking his knee out or anything vicious at all. Wasn't it his hip or butt? I did have a few drinks so maybe my memory is a bit fuzzy, but it seemed like a nothing play until McDavid was freaking out on the bench and Louie started going on and on about it. If it was intentional by Gio to hurt or something then I'll take it back, but it seemed like a nothing play to me. But it's McDavid, so of course everybody needs to freak out.

The angle makes it hard to tell. If that's the only angle, I'd say its a nothing play.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

The way I see it, the way his body is positioned as he lines that hit up, he was going to make contact with the knees one way or another. But that's hypothetical on my part.


At best, it's a hit that was a reckless, and super late in forming so it ended up becoming a knee-on-knee which is real bad. And it seems to happen with Gio a bit too frequently for my liking.

Makes sure implies premeditation that is why I am uncomfortable with that language, even in my defence of Gio, it is never fair to assume what a player is thinking. Reckless, that I can agree with. In all of these incidence, except for Aho, Gio positions himself dangerously.

[Rollin22x]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Well only because you want too.





The way I see it, the way his body is positioned as he lines that hit up, he was going to make contact with the knees one way or another. But that's hypothetical on my part.


At best, it's a hit that was a reckless, and super late in forming so it ended up becoming a knee-on-knee which is real bad. And it seems to happen with Gio a bit too frequently for my liking.





The angle makes it hard to tell. If that's the only angle, I'd say its a nothing play.

I'd love it if someone can explain how a player could possibly make knee on knee contact with a player that's behind them. If Gio stuck his leg out and backward enough to catch the knee, he would have spun like a top given the "incredible" speed that McDonttouchme was skating at. Given the history and if it was actually so dangerous, I'm surprised that no one on the oilers went after Gio.

[N-E-B]

The Gio play, to me, was a 2 minute minor that was missed. I don’t think he stuck his knee out. It was incidental contact but still a penalty.

[Split98]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Flames beat the Oilers again...Ward is 3-0 against them

Or we could talk about Gio almost hitting someone all day

Ok... what conversation were you contributing to then just a small scroll up the page...?

Originally Posted by dino7c

Gagner's play was way more dangerous

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Red

Just to add here. Last night was annoying because they completely ignored events that happened, but were in favor of the Flames while manufactured events to talk up the Oilers or diss the Flames.

Are we really so emotionally fragile to obsess over such things?

Where was the talk about Gagner making the most dangerous play of the game? Would anyone be surprised is he got a fine or a game for it?

Yeah, it was a really dangerous play, but what is gained by discussion about it on a television broadcast? The NHL does not care; the teams don't care; Gagner missed the hit like he always does; talk about it would have been a completely futile exercise, but doesn't prevent us from discussing it here.

Where was the extended analysis of the puck on the goal line? They usually discuss such things between periods.

Analysis of what? The puck was very obviously touching the goal line. The officials looked at it and made the right call. Do you actually expect that a Flames broadcast would have belaboured the point? Why would they do that?

Where was the outrage for Nurse running Chucky in to the boards?
Smith trapazoid infraction?

Again, these things happen on a local broadcast and have absolutely no bearing on what is happening in the game. Why should people care?

[Muta]

I love what Gio did. It creates storylines that gets Edmonton and its fans into a tizzy. Then, the organization, the players, the fans and the entire city obsess over it for weeks until the next Flames game, with media stories and documentaries and billboards and butthurtness. By that time, they've become so emotionally insecure and outraged while the rest of the world has moved on long ago, they've created a PPV-worthy game out of really what amounts to nothing at all.

Then they lose again, and the process repeats, catapulting them back into perpetual torment.