01-11-2007, 04:45 PM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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Canadian Copyright Disaster?
http://www.boingboing.net/2007/01/11...ut_to_hav.html
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Uh-oh. Bev Oda (the Canadian Tory Heritage Minister who funded her campaign with money from the big entertainment, software and pharma companies) is poised to bring down new copyright legislation that will plunge Canada into the dark ages, outdoing the USA for sheer boneheaded lunacy. The USA had an excuse in 1998 when it passed the Digital Millennium Act -- no one else had tried legislating copy-proof bits before. It was a dumb idea, but it hadn't been absolutely proven wrong at the time.
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Something to watch closely... and contact government about :
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/09/18...owto_stop.html
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01-11-2007, 05:33 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Wet Coast
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This is a type of thing that will get passed with very few people even blinking an eye. News sources are in favor of it, so they'll keep it in the dark...and that's end of story.
I'd rather pay higher taxes and fund a percentage of advertising campaigns that let sh*t like this happen...I never say that. P's me right off. Down with Bev.
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01-11-2007, 06:59 PM
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What exactly does the Bill propose? I tried reading the articles and I still couldn't really understand how this was going to impact me personally.
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01-11-2007, 07:05 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Violating Copyrights
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Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard
What exactly does the Bill propose? I tried reading the articles and I still couldn't really understand how this was going to impact me personally.
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Yeah, dumb it down for us Photon.
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01-11-2007, 07:14 PM
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I'm not privy to the proposed legislation and have been unable to find it online. From the article, though, it seems that "fair use" rights are being targeted. For the unitiated, much background on fair use and Bill C-60 (tabled in 2005) can be found here: http://www.cippic.ca/en/faqs-resources/bill-c-60/
Fair use allows users, such as Mean Mr. Mustard, to make private copies of certain copyrighted works. It allows you to rip a CD and put it on your Ipod. It also allows you to copy a song from a friend.
The proposed changes also look at Technical Protection Measures (TPM) such as Digital Rights Management (DRM). This is the crap like the Sony rootkit debacle that seeks to prevent you from copying CDs but ends up just making your disks unusable in many machines. The law would make it against the law to circumvent TPM and DRM.
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01-11-2007, 07:27 PM
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The new goggles also do nothing.
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary
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Yeah that's basically it.. they's apparently going to introduce a law like the US's DMCA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMCA) that supposedly protects company's abilities to protect their propety but ends up severely restricting what people can and can't do with what they purchase.
Imagine ripping your CDs to make MP3s being illegal.. or even recording a show on a DVR for later... The US's DMCA is very bad and this is reported to be worse (though I guess we'll find out).
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01-11-2007, 07:56 PM
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*waits for Conservatives to spin this one*
I'd really love to hear how this benefits everyday Canadians.
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01-11-2007, 08:01 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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I hope they will add in some "fair use".
Are you surprised that a Conservative party would cater to big record companies, ignoring consumer rights?
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01-11-2007, 08:04 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Crowsnest Pass
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Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate
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I think the Herald article this morning mentioned fair use.
The proposed law is stupid. I spend a lot on CDs. I support artists. Why can't I rip it?
Last edited by troutman; 01-11-2007 at 08:07 PM.
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01-11-2007, 08:33 PM
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I fired an email off to my MP. I will post what the response is when or if she replies.
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01-11-2007, 08:38 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: in your blind spot.
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There is some real spin going on in that article.
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And there are no protections for relatively new activities like time shifting, or even old ones like using material in a parody or satire.
Meanwhile, U.S. copyright laws have extensive exemptions for fair use.
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Thare are also no prohibitions in Canada against those activities, however in the US it is ILLEGAL to rip any CDs that have DRM on them (which is many/most releases).
I wouldn't vote for the Liberals last election because of similar legislation. I wrote my MP as well as the Liberal Heritage minister of the time. Looks like I will be voicing my displeasure again.
For a good interpretation of this issue I recommend this blog by Michael Geist (Canada Reseasch Chair of Internet and E-Commerce at University of Ottawa).
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01-11-2007, 09:03 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Calgary
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So will this make downloading music illegal?
If so, how and when will the gov't send me my $25 cheque for reinbursement for the tarrif paid on my MP3 player. Is tarriff the right word? everyone pays $25 extra and that money supposedly goes to the recording artists for us ripping their songs off the internet.
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01-11-2007, 09:19 PM
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So will this make downloading music illegal?
If so, how and when will the gov't send me my $25 cheque for reinbursement for the tarrif paid on my MP3 player. Is tarriff the right word? everyone pays $25 extra and that money supposedly goes to the recording artists for us ripping their songs off the internet.
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I think downloading music would still be legal (if you get it off iTunes etc) because it is still in its original format. I think changing the format (ripping from CD to mp3, etc) will be illegal.
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01-11-2007, 09:22 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Originally Posted by Jayems
So will this make downloading music illegal?
If so, how and when will the gov't send me my $25 cheque for reinbursement for the tarrif paid on my MP3 player. Is tarriff the right word? everyone pays $25 extra and that money supposedly goes to the recording artists for us ripping their songs off the internet.
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That depends upon the wording, but the US has been wanting "free" downloads eliminated for a long time so i would guess yes.
And there are no tarrifs on MP3 players. There was for a while but that was challenged and the supreme court declared it unconstitutional.
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—Bill Clinton
"The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance--it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Daniel J. Boorstin, historian, former Librarian of Congress
"But the Senator, while insisting he was not intoxicated, could not explain his nudity"
—WKRP in Cincinatti
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01-11-2007, 09:44 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by cSpooge
I think downloading music would still be legal (if you get it off iTunes etc) because it is still in its original format. I think changing the format (ripping from CD to mp3, etc) will be illegal.
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So taking a CD I PURCHASED and putting it on my ipod would be against the law??? How wrong is that.
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01-11-2007, 10:06 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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It's hard to take a website called "boingboing" seriously... still bears watching though.
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01-11-2007, 10:24 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Clinching Party
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Originally Posted by Mccree
So taking a CD I PURCHASED and putting it on my ipod would be against the law??? How wrong is that.
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It's not wrong at all. Just don't break the law and you have nothing to worry about. It's no different than the law that says if you buy Colgate toothpaste you must only use it on a specific toothbrush that Colgate designates as acceptable.
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01-11-2007, 10:33 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos
It's not wrong at all. Just don't break the law and you have nothing to worry about. It's no different than the law that says if you buy Colgate toothpaste you must only use it on a specific toothbrush that Colgate designates as acceptable.
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You'll need to buy a tube of Colgate for home use, a separate tube for when you're at work and need to freshen up before a meeting and a third entirely different tube for in your travel kit while you're on the road.
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