2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Not that difficult actually. Frolik would be easy to move. Neal would be tough to move. But it’s about priorities. Not that I want to move Backlund but I’m sure you could get a first for him in the offseason.
Could also move a D man if the young guys are deemed good enough to take on a bigger role.
Gaudreau Monahan Lindholm
Tkachuk Jankowski Stone
??? Bennett/Ryan ???

That is why I am pushing to move Brodie in the Brodie/Hamomic future thread.

Yikes to the center depth up there. At least we have 4 promising Dmen 22 and younger. We have very little at center ice

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Dreger tweeted that Florida may be moving pieces, and that depth defenseman Bogdan Kiselevich is available.

28 years old, left-hand shot, played for years in the KHL, cheap cap hit (under $1 million), and has 8 assists on the season. Also won gold with Russia at the Olympics last year.

Perhaps this is a guy the Flames look at for a depth defenseman?

I'd do this just to get a player named Bogdan.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Yuck. No thank you.

Why? Is it Perron's 17 goals that rubs you the wrong way, or his 34 points? He's 30 which isn't ancient for the term of the deal, his cap hit is $4M, he shoots right.

Is it losing Jankowski? Sure, but you need to clear a C spot, you need to give value and Jankowski has but one year on his contract after this.

And if Perron sparks Neal it's a huge bonus.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Why? Is it Perron's 17 goals that rubs you the wrong way, or his 34 points? He's 30 which isn't ancient for the term of the deal, his cap hit is $4M, he shoots right.

Is it losing Jankowski? Sure, but you need to clear a C spot, you need to give value and Jankowski has but one year on his contract after this.

And if Perron sparks Neal it's a huge bonus.

Why do the Flames need to clear a C-spot?

[goflamesgo18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Jankowski+ for Perron. Not a huge cap hit,chemistry with Neal, having a decent season. Blues aren't in great cap shape and look to be needing to rebuild again.

I'd rather it was Ryan because of age, but that's why the Blues wouldn't do it.

I don't like the idea of trading Janko for Perron.

Maybe something like our 1st and Stone for Perron and a 3rd.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Yeah, that's pretty much the point. I liked Bouma in 2014-2015, like we all did.

Well stats just don't back that up. Bennett replicated (or beat) Bouma's career season once. Four years ago. But I really don't care, because all I'm saying is that Bouma was good in 2014-2015. As far as bottom six players go, he was extremely well thought of. Just like Bennett is today.

I think we all knew what Bouma was at the time. Probably very few expected him to continue to produce at a 40 point pace because of his shooting percentage. You're acting like we couldn't evaluate at the time and there's been some great epiphany in retrospect. That's not the case, we saw Bouma as a bottom six guy who provided energy, came to play, was a warrior on the ice. Some crazy posters went so far as to allude to him being a potential core-type player. Like this here crazy guy:

Maybe if he didn't party so much he wouldn't have regressed, but at the time a lot of the same stuff we are saying about Bennett we were saying about Bouma. We just have short memories and remember him as the empty husk buyout he became. But I think you're selling his 2014-2015 season short if you don't think that many saw him as a very good bottom six player. I really don't think I'm insulting Bennett comparing the two. But I see Bennett providing the same type of energy, warrior type attributes that we were hoping to get from Bouma when the Flames signed him. It didn't work out for Bouma, sure, but I think the 2.2M (~2.5M inflated) is a good comparable for Bennett.

Ok I give.

I still honestly don't know what you're trying to accomplish here.

Just my rule, but I generally don't take the best possible outcome for one side of a comparison and compare it to the most recent or average of another.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

That is why I am pushing to move Brodie in the Brodie/Hamomic future thread.

Yikes to the center depth up there. At least we have 4 promising Dmen 22 and younger. We have very little at center ice

I agree, but Stone is a game changer. I think Jankowski is gonna take a big step when we go deep into the playoffs.
If Jankowski faulters, can always move Lindholm to Centre

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why do the Flames need to clear a C-spot?

Dumb of me - you are correct. Perron is RW. Not sure it works roster-wise unless you move Bennett (nah) or really jumble things. They wouldn't want Frolik in their situation.

[Husky]

Flames should not be spending big assets.

[LWcrowfoot]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Why? Is it Perron's 17 goals that rubs you the wrong way, or his 34 points? He's 30 which isn't ancient for the term of the deal, his cap hit is $4M, he shoots right.

Is it losing Jankowski? Sure, but you need to clear a C spot, you need to give value and Jankowski has but one year on his contract after this.

And if Perron sparks Neal it's a huge bonus.

Not a fan of Perron, especially giving up Jankowski and more for him. The rest of the post has been addressed previously but just want to touch on the bolded part. Jankowski will still be an RFA so having one year left doesn't really matter all that much.

[Canada 02]

Perron has been benched several times this season, and a healthy scratch in a game before Christmas. I’d stay away

[Pickle Juice]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Bump.

I was thinking about this in relation to Hes’ conjecture that it would be Stone to Ottawa for a late pick. At first, I thought the circumstances were against it. Even if Bennett makes 2.5-3, I still don’t think the cap situation demands they trade Stone. More importantly, the team has been rumoured to be looking for depth on defence.

But “that should pull through in the next few days” would make sense if Stone were being dealt because Stone may need a few days to be cleared to play (Francis). Also, if they were acquiring a playable asset, why wait a few days? I suppose the other team might be wavering but then they don’t have the deal in place. Therefore, a pick coming back would make sense. It would also give the Flames’ cap flexibility as they could arguably fill Stone’s spot on the depth chart with a <$1M player.

I’ve always wanted the Flames to rid themselves of that contract (from the day it was signed) so I certainly wouldn’t mind if Hes was right!

It makes sense for the flames to make this deal! If the Flames aren’t willing to give up assets to try and get Mark Stone than why not assist Ottowa in getting him signed? Block any other team from making a move that could help put them over the edge!

Genius

[sureLoss]

Rumors and speculation from Friedman's 31 thoughts

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...rade-deadline/

Dorion is meeting with Duchene's agent in person
Full court press is on to re-sign Stone.
Bonuses might become an issue

Oilers checked in on Zuccarelo.
Rangers would probably like a similar return as Grabner last season who netted a 2nd plus prospect.

Oilers will scour the market for young, preferably quick attackers, on longer term deals or time before UFA

Organization is split on whether to move Puljujarvi.
Some want to move him as he has value. Some want to stay patient and develop him.

Long list of teams interested in Ferland include Boston, Edmonton, Pitts, and Van

Pens GM wants a better fit than Brassard behind Crosby and Malkin
Jets, BJs, and SJ may be fits for Brassard.
Brassard didn't want to go to the Jets last year, but it shouldn't be a problem this year.

Ducks can fit in Silfverberg if he signs for less than $7 million, but it doesn't leave them with a a lot of cap flexibility

Ducks Pntus Aberg who is ted for 2nd on the team with 11 goals can't get into the line up anymore, he might be the next to be moved.

Dallas' Brett Ritchie in trade rumors.
Dallas also checking to see if anyone wants to take a chance on Nichushkin

Some teams wondered if the Flyers are still married to Patrick now that Hextall is gone, but Fletcher stood up fro him and recognizes big RHS centers are hard to find.

Panthers willing to move d-men Kiselevich and Pysyk

Unless a game changer falls into their laps, expect the Avs to be patient (i.e. not active at the deadline)

The race for the Western conference wild card spot might alter the "buyers market"
Some of the perceived sellers might sit a little longer to see if they can get in like St. Louis

There were rumors earlier in the season that Bouwmeester might end up on waivers
He has been playing better while struggling to recover from him surgery
Some team have watched him to see if he is a fit

Nick Jensen is a rental that doesn't get much attention but has quietly played well
Detroit needs to make a decision on him

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Rumors and speculation from Friedman's 31 thoughts

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/...rade-deadline/

Dorion is meeting with Duchene's agent in person
Full court press is on to re-sign Stone.
Bonuses might become an issue

Oilers checked in on Zuccarelo.
Rangers would probably like a similar return as Grabner last season who netted a 2nd plus prospect.

Oilers will scour the market for young, preferably quick attackers, on longer term deals or time before UFA

Organization is split on whether to move Puljujarvi.
Some want to move him as he has value. Some want to stay patient and develop him.

Long list of teams interested in Ferland include Boston, Edmonton, Pitts, and Van

Pens GM wants a better fit than Brassard behind Crosby and Malkin
Jets, BJs, and SJ may be fits

Ducks can fit in Silfverberg if he signs for less than $7 million, but it doesn't leave them with a a lot of cap flexibility

Ducks Pntus Aberg who is ted for 2nd on the team with 11 goals can't get into the line up anymore, he might be the next to be moved.

Dallas' Brett Ritchie in trade rumors.
Dallas also checking to see if anyone wants to take a chance on Nichushkin

Some teams wondered if the Flyers are still married to Patrick now that Hextall is gone, but Fletcher stood up fro him and recognizes big RHS centers are hard to find.

Panthers willing to move d-men Kiselevich and Pysyk

Unless a game changer falls into their laps, expect the Avs to be patient (i.e. not active at the deadline)

The race for the Western conference wild card spot might alter the "buyers market"
Some of the perceived sellers might sit a little longer to see if they can get in like St. Louis

There were rumors earlier in the season that Bouwmeester might end up on waivers
He has been playing better while struggling to recover from him surgery
Some team have watched him to see if he is a fit

Nick Jensen is a rental that doesn't get much attention but has quietly played well
Detroit needs to make a decision on him

In what universe is this guy worth any where near 7 milion per?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by transplant99

In what universe is this guy worth any where near 7 milion per?

I agree though he's been a good PO performer (way above his regular season PPG) which maybe skews people's opinion.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So maybe we should put Tkachuk on the fourth line the rest of the year then ... give him Hathaway and Ryan as linemates.

Sorry ... tongue in cheek, but you put what you think are your best players together and because of that they are what they are.

The Flames have four clear cut star forwards, a clear next best forward in Backlund and then a Frolik/Bennett toss up for the 6th guy. Because of that they both have time on the 2nd and 3rd lines and with that get a % of time with top players and a % of time without.

They are where they're meant to be or they wouldn't be there.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

He's 9th on the flames forwards in ppg, in the last ~25 games. Hea scoring less than jankowski but playing a minute more per game, including on the PP. He just spent 25 games with a guy on pace to score 93 points. When he wasn't playing with that player he was in pace for 18 points.

It's the star player effect. Bennett has literally seen his offensive production double since playing with tkachuk.

Sure, with cap inflation maybe I'm off and he's a 2 million dollar player, but the flames don't have space for a 3 million dollar Bennett.

Originally Posted by Bingo

So are you honestly thinking Bennett is the only player in the league that plays better when he gets more ice time and plays with better players?

I can see you are trying hard to hold onto this Bennett/frolik thing being a toss up, but it plainly isn't.

The fact is, if you think Bennett is worth 3 million per year because he scores at a 30 point pace playing with only one guy on the whole team, then you should be immediately disqualified from talking #### about draisaitl and his contract.

It doesn't matter if he plays 11 minutes or 15, he produces like a 4th liner. The only variable where he doesn't is with Tkachuk, so why on Earth would you pay him based on that?

Yes, if given better players and more ice, guys will produce more. But you don't DOUBLE your offensive output because you're playing 14:30 a night instead of 13:30. You double your offensive output when played with the second best playmaker on the team.

Bennett contract comparables are, IMO:

Nick Ritchie 1.6
Blake Coleman: 1.8
Tomas Nosek: 900k
Joel armia: 1.85
Matt Nieto: 1.975
Oskar sundqvist: 900k
Adam Erne; 800k
Jared McCann: 1.25
Frank vatrano: 900k
Drake caggiula: 1.5

And maybe Josh Anderson. At 1.85

All in the same tough age range and production.

[868904]

I think the Flames will need to add some size and toughness as they will need it in a 7 games series against any of the Jets, Preds, Sharks or Knights.

Yes the game is trending towards speed and skill in the regular season, but in the playoffs, the game reverts back to a heavy game. The key is to have speed and skill AND size, that's the secret formula.

A guy like Brett Ritchie makes a lot of sense for a 4th line winger. He's big, can fight with some pretty tough customers and he's not a complete liability on the ice. He's probably a better player than Hathaway and also likely faster than a guy like Maroon.

I wouldn't trade much for him, a late round pick or a C prospect or maybe Czarnik is enough as the Stars might look for some more speed and skill.

You could rotate Ritchie, Mangiapane, and Hathaway in the two wing spots on the fourth line depending on the opposition or the play of the players.

Czarnik is somewhat redundant with Peter's preference to Mangiapane and also Dube and Phillips available.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think the Flames will need to add some size and toughness as they will need it in a 7 games series against any of the Jets, Preds, Sharks or Knights.

Yes the game is trending towards speed and skill in the regular season, but in the playoffs, the game reverts back to a heavy game. The key is to have speed and skill AND size, that's the secret formula.

A guy like Brett Ritchie makes a lot of sense for a 4th line winger. He's big, can fight with some pretty tough customers and he's not a complete liability on the ice. He's probably a better player than Hathaway and also likely faster than a guy like Maroon.

I wouldn't trade much for him, a late round pick or a C prospect or maybe Czarnik is enough as the Stars might look for some more speed and skill.

You could rotate Ritchie, Mangiapane, and Hathaway in the two wing spots on the fourth line depending on the opposition or the play of the players.

Czarnik is somewhat redundant with Peter's preference to Mangiapane and also Dube and Phillips available.

There's also Lazar who is doing really well in Stockton. He's got size and speed anyway (let's see if this stint has given him NHL skill at all). The coach gushes about him (over Dube in fact). I don't mind Quine coming up again either.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by transplant99

In what universe is this guy worth any where near 7 milion per?

His own personal universe, likely including his Mom.

I'm not seeing anything close to it myself.

[The Boy Wonder]

Two things:

on Bennett, the flames would be silly to move him, he is coming into his own physically, and the dumb penalties are basically gone. His shooting % is still horrible, needs to work on his shot all offseason IMO. Hopefully the flames offer him another "prove it" deal in the 2-3 mil range and lets see what he does.

the advanced stats show bennett and Frolike are basically interchangeable and game script and momentum or who is playing better should determine which one gets 2nd line and who is 3rd. Bennett is no longer a defensive liability and quite honestly when playoffs come and the flames need someone who is tough enough to fight whatever idiot dman goes after gaudreau's wrists (which is absolutely going to happen) you want Bennett in the lineup and ready to go.

In terms of trade targets for TDL:

Czarnik is going to disappear in the postseason, the guy is allergic to the boards in his own end, and Ryan likely won't be as effective either. I don't want the flames bringing in some other soft, small, skill guy who can't handle the added intensity and physicality because thats not how you win playoff series.

It's funny but I actually think that the perfect acquisition for the flames at the deadline would be Sam Bennett if we could find another one out there. closest thing available is Simmonds, or maybe a nick ritchie type if Ana would give him up.