Some interesting comments from Jeff Davison today regarding the new Event Centre - seems like they're working on a proposal for the Flames to start negotiating with. This was included:
He seems to think there could be some way to use some Olympic funds for a new arena.
I'm just curious where they'll move the parking lot to.
There will most-likely be no at-venue parking anywhere for the Olympics (for security reasons and to allow for those sorts of public plazas around the venues). To get to any event, you'll likely have to take either regular public transit, or park at a central location and take Olympic shuttles to the venues.
For the McMahon "cluster", the closest public parking will likely be at the Brentwood C-Train station. The parking lots at SAIT and the University will also likely be available since classes will most-likely be cancelled during the two weeks of the Games. Depending on what development happens over the next 7.5 years, the parking lot by the old Sears at North Hill could also be available for C-Train access.
After the Games, the public plazas will be removed, and McMahon parking will return to business as usual.
It's really no different than what was done for the Heritage Classic, except on a much-larger scale.
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Or... just hear me out... possibly you could vote for someone without agreeing with everything they've ever said publicly on every issue?
Nah, nevermind, that would be ridiculous.
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Nenshi himself has said the Yes side is behind on a few different occasions. And given that we now know the Yes side was using bots the manipulate the engagement site results, the Strongly No side was in fact real, and that number was in the 60s, and the town hall boards also showed lopsided support for No.
And it is desperation. The Yes side has all of the actual internal polling. If they were ahead, they wouldn't risk overdoing it and swinging votes the other way just by annoying people (which their recent push has done, of course). They are behind and trying to catch up.
Announcing an arena deal after the bid is approved means the arena deal is going to be worse than the city's previous offers (from the taxpayer perspective). The CSEC will demand (and receive) more public money than before. Given that support for previous deals was low, an even worse deal isn't going to go over very well. Smarter to tie it into the Olympics so you can at least dress up the hit better.
Nenshis comments mean nothing. You have other no voters on this board who were telling you that Nenshis comments mean nothing. A common strategy to get people out to vote.
Are you referring to a poll which after removing bot votes, was 42% strongly against (not the 60's you claim) and 21% strongly for? (as per CBCs website) ?
Much talk from these town hall meetings has been people looking for more information. It is the undecided vote which we do not know as a percentage to the entire vote so another point that tells us nothing. The yes people are at rallys and events. The no side has made their voice heard. The undecided are becoming more informed and at townhall events.
Now you go on to claim that because they have the polls and are not marketing them the way you would market them, they must be behind and desperate? Thats a desperate attempt to make them look desperate.
Your comments about the arena also hold no facts and is all opinion based. The money set aside to renovate the saddledome and money for a new 6,000 person arena comes very close to what CSSC asked for in the first place. As a posted mentioned after my post, it should come as no surprise that a deal is in place in terms of basics and if the yes goes ahead, they have to hammer out some more details.
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Or... just hear me out... possibly you could vote for someone without agreeing with everything they've ever said publicly on every issue?
Nah, nevermind, that would be ridiculous.
Considering what a hardline conservative he is, it's mostly just fascinating that he has to support Nenshi, Notley and Trudeau on this one. He will of course return to opposing everything they touch on November 14th. Politics and sports mostly make for the strangest bedfellows though.
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Here's to hoping crusty old naysayers like myself go out and vote NO in droves, fit 15 to 20 of us in those white vans.
Aren't you the same guy who was worried that there was some conspiracy to target seniors homes for voting stations and the result would be a swell of Yes votes?
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Might as well add this to the list.... an article released a month ago when there was 1/10th of the information there is today. He also plays a very balanced angle talking how more information is needed, have to be financially smart, etc. He also says he would do exactly what the NDP has done and give a hardline number.
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Considering what a hardline conservative he is, it's mostly just fascinating that he has to support Nenshi, Notley and Trudeau on this one. He will of course return to opposing everything they touch on November 14th. Politics and sports mostly make for the strangest bedfellows though.
I support Notley, Nenshi and Trudeau because i support the Olympics? It’s official, you’ve gone off the deep end. You should just stop. You’re getting desperate.
I support Notley, Nenshi and Trudeau because i support the Olympics? It’s official, you’ve gone off the deep end. You should just stop. You’re getting desperate.
It's almost as if you can't stick people in perfect little boxes and sometimes we exercise free thought.
Nenshis comments mean nothing. You have other no voters on this board who were telling you that Nenshis comments mean nothing. A common strategy to get people out to vote.
Are you referring to a poll which after removing bot votes, was 42% strongly against (not the 60's you claim) and 21% strongly for? (as per CBCs website) ?
Much talk from these town hall meetings has been people looking for more information. It is the undecided vote which we do not know as a percentage to the entire vote so another point that tells us nothing. The yes people are at rallys and events. The no side has made their voice heard. The undecided are becoming more informed and at townhall events.
Now you go on to claim that because they have the polls and are not marketing them the way you would market them, they must be behind and desperate? Thats a desperate attempt to make them look desperate.
Your comments about the arena also hold no facts and is all opinion based. The money set aside to renovate the saddledome and money for a new 6,000 person arena comes very close to what CSSC asked for in the first place. As a posted mentioned after my post, it should come as no surprise that a deal is in place in terms of basics and if the yes goes ahead, they have to hammer out some more details.
It is opinion based to say that how I think public opinion will go. Shocker. But it's ridiculously illogical to assume the public was against the last City offer, but will somehow be less against a deal where the city gives even more public money. Consistency of logic says people will not be happy about that. Could it swing the other way? Frankly no, it can't. Would be extremely strange.
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Prepare for the "Conservatives must be desperate" comments because they have more funding to promote themselves.
Why would they be desperate 6 months out from an election lol. The Yes side has to be desperate because the vote is in five days, timing matters obviously. If the UCP goes as hard as the Yes side has gone when April rolls around, we can talk desperation then.
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I support Notley, Nenshi and Trudeau because i support the Olympics? It’s official, you’ve gone off the deep end. You should just stop. You’re getting desperate.
I pretty clearly say "On this one". But you gotta be pretty desperate to reply without reading comprehending.
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The amount of contradiction in this quote vs what Mary Moran stated last week is incredible. Does anyone know what anyone else is saying?
If they include a new arena, its an entirely different conversation for a whole lot of people.
Hilarious to watch it all unfold though.
The first article of Agenda 2020 states that a bid should only promote the use of EXISTING facilities or temporary/demountable venues.
It is a disadvantage to the bid to use Olympic Funds to build a completely new hockey arena.
If the city/NHL/Bidco come to an agreement to build another venue that will be for non-Olympic use, using mostly non-Olympic money and will be used outside of the Games then that isn't part of the official bid. The bid will then state that Olympic Hockey will be held at the existing new arena.
The first article of Agenda 2020 states that a bid should only promote the use of EXISTING facilities or temporary/demountable venues.
It is a disadvantage to the bid to use Olympic Funds to build a completely new hockey arena.
If the city/NHL/Bidco come to an agreement to build another venue that will be for non-Olympic use, using mostly non-Olympic money and will be used outside of the Games then that isn't part of the official bid. The bid will then state that Olympic Hockey will be held at the existing new arena.
And yet we are already building an Arena and a Fieldhouse In the current bid. Chasing an Arena for a bigger Arena doesn’t really change how we are utilizing existing and new facilities.
If we use 150 million as the amount for an Arena in the bid and look back at the flames offer of them needing 225 million then we are 75 million apart. We haven’t maxed out federal matching dollars which means the city could bridge the gap with 37.5 million. And if you have the building as city owned with the city fronting the ticket tax money you should be able to get even more matching federal dollars.
So the city contributes an additional 125 million to the bid, the feds contribute an addition 125 million matching because they match up to 1.75. They enter into a deal with the flames for the ticket tax that repays 275 million plus the 150 million already in the budget for the games.
So you get the following
Federal Contribution - 125 million
Olympic Budget Contibution - 150 million
Flames contribution - 275 million
City contribution- Front 275 million dollars that is recovers in annual lease payments from the flames.
Total Capital for Arena - 550 million plus another 150 million in fed funds for Olympics
Total cost to city compared to current Olympic bid with no arena. 150 million in savings - the interest on fronting the loan to the flames.
the deal that could be made today is better for everyone so why isn’t it announced. The answer is Incompetance or the funding restrictions that people are saying exist really do exist. Whichever one it is assuming an event Center will be included in the games but isn’t yet announced is not reasonable.
An Arena as the signature piece that actually generates more money to host the Olympics would be pretty compelling.
And yet we are already building an Arena and a Fieldhouse In the current bid. Chasing an Arena for a bigger Arena doesn’t really change how we are utilizing existing and new facilities.
Yes but it is a question of scope.
With a modest arena and a needed multi-sport complex the current bid only has something like 20% of new builds, in line with Agenda 2020 requirements.
