the ongoing anti- racism, anti- oppression thread

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

What about the Serial killers lurking in Canada? Praying on Indigenous Women for years. You don't hear it in the media. The Government does nothing as well to solve it. It made my stomach turn reading comments saying Racism is a small problem in Canada. KKK is present in Alberta and Saskatchewan.

The murders of FN women are solved at pretty much an identical rate as those of non-FN women. The RCMP released their stats on it and it’s not “serial killers” committing these murders, it’s their friends/family/acquaintances.

Would be interested in hearing your opinion on why we need an inquiry into missing/murdered FN women when the rate for these same crimes against FN men is much higher.

[Kybb79]

Cliff Fletcher. You have no idea how neglected this is. I always watch CBC. You should go visit a family that lost a 16 year old girl? Or a 12 year old with no answers. I don't see that on CBC.

[metallicat]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Go to the CBC website and scroll through the stories on CBC TV and CBC radio. You'll find find a bunch on the inquiry into missing women.



Police all over the world have a history of not investigating the disappearance of prostitutes, street people, and those living on the margins of society. Regardless of their race.

And those people are overwhelmingly Indigenous.

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

The murders of FN women are solved at pretty much an identical rate as those of non-FN women. The RCMP released their stats on it and it’s not “serial killers” committing these murders, it’s their friends/family/acquaintances.

Would be interested in hearing your opinion on why we need an inquiry into missing/murdered FN women when the rate for these same crimes against FN men is much higher.

. The Goverment and RCMP has always #### on First Nations. What makes me think it will ever change?

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

. The Goverment and RCMP has always #### on First Nations. What makes me think it will ever change?

So which part of the 2015 RCMP report are lies then?

Are you suggesting that there is some grand conspiracy between StatsCan, the RCMP, the courts and CPIC to falsify the solve rate, offender identity and content of the missed persons database to oppress FN women?

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

So which part of the 2015 RCMP report are lies then?

Are you suggesting that there is some grand conspiracy between StatsCan, the RCMP, the courts and CPIC to falsify the solve rate, offender identity and content of the missed persons database to oppress FN women?

Like i said earlier the RCMP is not credible to First Nations. They lie just like the Boushie murder. I think your best bet is go to a First Nations community and see first hand.No need to assume like you know?

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Like i said earlier the RCMP is not credible to First Nations. They lie just like the Boushie murder. I think your best bet is go to a First Nations community and see first hand.No need to assume like you know?

And what lies were told in the Boushie case?

You’re claiming that facts have been misrepresented, but are not offering anything to back up your claims. Telling me to go to a FN community and see something doesn’t refute the fact that 100% of female FN murder victims knew their killer in solved cases. It doesn’t refute the fact that female FN murders are solved at the same rate as non-FN murders.

[Kybb79]

Originally Posted by llwhiteoutll

And what lies were told in the Boushie case?

You’re claiming that facts have been misrepresented, but are not offering anything to back up your claims. Telling me to go to a FN community and see something doesn’t refute the fact that 100% of female FN murder victims knew their killer in solved cases. It doesn’t refute the fact that female FN murders are solved at the same rate as non-FN murders.

Whats the use arguing with you? It will go on and on. How about i give you a white pointy hat?

[icecube]

I suspect the inquiry will find some pretty damning evidence that the RCMP does not treat missing and murdered indigenous women/men cases the same as it does for everyone else.

You may see things like slower response time, less communication with communities and families, more likely to close the cases quicker, a lack of compassion and empathy towards families of victims, less resources/manpower put into search & rescue.

The inquiry will probably suggest that RCMP need ongoing implicit bias/ anti racism training. It will probably suggest that more indigenous officers are needed. It will probably suggest that there is a lack of capacity on reserves to serve the families of victims of MMIW. It will probably suggest that there needs to be more liaisons for families needing victim services. There may be a public apology from the RCMP and a move towards healing the divide between FN communities and the police and justice system.

I guess we will wait and see if I'm full of it, but I'm pretty sure that's the way it's going to play out.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Whats the use arguing with you? It will go on and on. How about i give you a white pointy hat?

Icecube had an excellent post just above. Like in most things, the truth lies between two differing viewpoints.

Name calling will just shut down the conversation, and this is a conversation the native communities want to have continue.

The RCMP does treat crime against natives in a less... enthusiastic fashion. But most murders everywhere are committed by people that the victim knows. Both are true.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Cliff Fletcher. You have no idea how neglected this is. I always watch CBC. You should go visit a family that lost a 16 year old girl? Or a 12 year old with no answers. I don't see that on CBC.

Thank goodness they don’t show that That isn’t news. That is sensationalism.

[llwhiteoutll]

Originally Posted by Kybb79

Whats the use arguing with you? It will go on and on. How about i give you a white pointy hat?

I simply asked you for some substantiation that supports your stance that the RCMP, and by extension the government, treats murders of FN women as something less than that of non-FN women.

You hvaen't been able to and have just reverted to saying that because the facts don't support the narrative you want to advance, those who put any sort of credence in those facts must be racist. The only argument you have provided against the statistics is "the RCMP and the government hate FN people". If there is an actual study showing that the StatsCan and CPIC data is wrong, I'd love to read it.

- The solve rate for the murders of native women is IDENTICAL to the solve rate of non-FN women
- In 2015 (the year of the RCMP report), about 10% of people listed as missing were native FN. The RCMP also showed year over year progress in clearing cases of missing FN women
- When the murder of a FN women is solved, the killer is known to the victim in 100% of cases

If the RCMP didn't care about FN people, then these stats would be much different. At the same time, if the stats were reversed and they only cleared 18% of murders, you'd be clinging to the stats and using them as proof of the government's indifference.

[Ashasx]

https://twitter.com/user/status/998629752582754304

Kendrick Lamar shut down his concert after a white fan he invited onstage decided it was cool for her to repeatedly rap the n-word. It was not.

K. Dot was performing Sunday night at Hangout Festival in Alabama when he pulled the young woman named Delaney from the crowd to rap "M.A.A.D City."

Delany promised she knew all the words, n-word included ... and after dropping it 3 times ... Kendrick had to stop everything. She was clueless at first, responding, "Am I not cool enough for you?"

The crowd started booing and Kendrick was shocked, and told her she needed to bleep one word. Delaney was apologetic, and the show continued. Kendrick was forgiving, but the crowd was not.

http://www.tmz.com/2018/05/21/kendri...gout-festival/

[dobbles]

I am as bleeding heart a liberal as anyone on this board, but that Kendrick story is just stupid. If you don't want white people using that word when repeating your song lyrics, then don't put in the $%*&ing song!

I've got zero tolerance for any sort of racism and we all know the history of that word. Which is why it needs to be retired from everyone's vocabulary so we can just be done with it.

[CaptainCrunch]

Just reminds me of the Star Wars Family guy special

[Matata]

Originally Posted by dobbles

I am as bleeding heart a liberal as anyone on this board, but that Kendrick story is just stupid. If you don't want white people using that word when repeating your song lyrics, then don't put in the $%*&ing song!

I've got zero tolerance for any sort of racism and we all know the history of that word. Which is why it needs to be retired from everyone's vocabulary so we can just be done with it.

Could do an infographic:


Desire to say the N-word because of hatred: 0%
Desire to say the N word because of Rap music or Dave Chappelle: 100%

[PepsiFree]

I “get” it, though it’s definitely tricky. Put the word in your song, invite a white person to sing it, see what happens.

The crowd getting upset was a little much, you can’t really blame the girl for singing the right words, but the people faux-outrage about it being unfair that a black artist can use the word in their song is dumb. Crowd got upset, Lamar course-corrected the girl in the nicest way possible, and things moved on. Not sure why white people are outraged about it.

[nik-]

That girl got walked into a minefield. Especially if she's asked to rap maad city.

[PsYcNeT]

Incredibly sad but interesting article on the state of injustice in what most people think of as a progressive state, California.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...death-row.html

Very good presentation as well.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Incredibly sad but interesting article on the state of injustice in what most people think of as a progressive state, California.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...death-row.html

Very good presentation as well.

Even progressives get it wrong....not sure why this is in this thread.