[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Beninho

At least if they hire peters my optimism would be at an all time low for this team. No way they can let me down then.

That’s not even close to rock bottom and you know it.

If Peters is brought in there would still be roster changes that could make you even lower on the team

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Bill Peters? If that's who they are targeting for GG replacement , I rather they stick with GG for final year and look elsewhere next year. Sorry but that's not much of an upgrade on GG. Owners it's time to open up your wallets on the coaching front.

Not me. Two years of Gulutzan hockey to me is an eternity and although Peters is a little underwhelming at least it's a reason to have a little optimism next season as he's a different coach and may have more of an impact on this roster. If Gulutzan comes back it's a matter of counting down the games again until he's fired which isn't my idea of fun.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not me. Two years of Gulutzan hockey to me is an eternity and although Peters is a little underwhelming at least it's a reason to have a little optimism next season as he's a different coach and may have more of an impact on this roster. If Gulutzan comes back it's a matter of counting down the games again until he's fired which isn't my idea of fun.

Peters will be to Gulutzan as Robocop was to Murphy.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Not me. Two years of Gulutzan hockey to me is an eternity and although Peters is a little underwhelming at least it's a reason to have a little optimism next season as he's a different coach and may have more of an impact on this roster. If Gulutzan comes back it's a matter of counting down the games again until he's fired which isn't my idea of fun.

If they hire Peters it will also be a countdown until he is fired. The only difference is that GG would be one year and they probably give Peters 2 years before thinking about it. If they are going to make a coaching change then do it correctly.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If they hire Peters it will also be a countdown until he is fired. The only difference is that GG would be one year and they probably give Peters 2 years before thinking about it. If they are going to make a coaching change then do it correctly.

I don't agree. Every coach is going to get fired so there will one day be a count down to the next coach the Flames hire regardless of who he is and the Peters countdown will not start next season on day one like it will with Gulutzan. Peters is currently employed so one team wants him and apparently two other teams have inquired so that means at least three NHL teams have interest in Peters coaching their team. The Flames were the only team since Dallas to have interest in Gulutzan and this is likely his last head coaching gig. Obviously teams see Peters in a different light and maybe it's just a matter of him coaching a team with a better roster? The Flames aren't going to get AV or Trotz, Sutter is not coming back, and Tippett may not be a fit due to happenings in Phoenix so what other coaching candidates do you think are clearly better than Peters? Almost any coach (outside of Eakins) will be an upgrade on Gulutzan including Peters.

[cannon7]

Can Treliving fire the bum already?

[Racki]

Originally Posted by Beninho

At least if they hire peters my optimism would be at an all time low for this team. No way they can let me down then.

Excellent point. The high expectations made this season’s failings that much more painful.

[Ashasx]

The more I watch the playoffs, the clearer it becomes that the Flames simply don't play the right way and would not be able to handle the emotion of playoff hockey.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Looking at the Canes' roster, what stands out to me is young but 'big name' defencemen, but none of them hit 40pts this year. 30, 31 and 32 for Slavin, Faulk and Hannifin respectfully.

Canes also sit 10th worst (3 spots behind Calgary) for most goals against as well.

These are eerily similar numbers for me. This team is going nowhere if they don't make use of the blue-line to generate offence, or play really good defence. On that note, the Canes were the best team in the league in terms of SA. They only allowed 28.9 shots against.

Now, I haven't seen them play much this year at all, and thus this is complete stat watching. I don't know if they allowed way too many premium shots (breakaways, odd-man rushes, etc), but that is a good sign. Maybe it was awful goaltending... or maybe the goaltending was tasked with making too many tough saves. No idea which way the wind blew there, regardless of what some people say.

It perhaps could be an upgrade on Gulutzan at any rate just based on the SA. I have a problem with their offence generated from the blue-line, and their special teams were bad.

On the surface, it SEEMS like a slight upgrade on Gulutzan, but other than stat watching, I can't really comment one way or the other. A casual fan that doesn't watch the Flames may look at the secondary stats and conclude that indeed the Flames were just unlucky, and that Gulutzan should stay as a head coach. You have to really watch a team regularly to gain any insight at all in how they play and to even be able to venture a guess as to what ails them when things don't go right.

If it is Peters, just hope that the Flames do their homework here. He doesn't scream to me as a guy that you should bank your job on, and if the team doesn't respond under him, Treliving may end up looking for a job as well.

In a perfect world, Treliving doesn't can Hartley when he did, but ends up canning him before Vegas snapped up Gallant. Gallant would be perfect for this team, especially with this defence. Oh well, life is all a bunch of if's, should'ves and maybes.

I think out of the available coaches, Sutter has the least amount of warts, while Ruff could offer the most entertainment/success combination (his up-tempo style and the way he also likes his defencemen to attack might fit this team well). Trotz and Vigneault have warts (not that Trotz is available right now, but may be), but they are also probably upgrades.

Treliving should be sweating making this decision. It may be his last decision on coaching if things don't improve.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The more I watch the playoffs, the clearer it becomes that the Flames simply don't play the right way and would not be able to handle the emotion of playoff hockey.

Watching? That's all you're doing? You have to dive deeper, to the underlying stats. There are stats that even underlay the underlying. And even then, you still don't have the full picture because of reasons. The eye test does not tell you enough to have an opinion. 50% of the teams that made the playoffs will advance to round 2.

[Joborule]

Can't believe GG is hired still.

Like what the hell can be causing Treliving to still be hesitant on axe'ing the guy here? Gulutzan has proven he's incapable of being a NHL coach despite the shortfalls with the current roster. There's no logical reason in bringing him back, and is worrisome that the GM hasn't pulled the trigger yet.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Can Treliving fire the bum already?

Maybe we can not say stuff like this. The guy is going to lose his job. He likely loses his dream of a long term NHL head coaching gig forever. His family, we know, reads this site. He is by all accounts a good guy. Not a bum.

[Computerjungle]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe we can not say stuff like this. The guy is going to lose his job. He likely loses his dream of a long term NHL head coaching gig forever. His family, we know, reads this site. He is by all accounts a good guy. Not a bum.

I disagree, im paying his salary with my season tics. He didnt do his job so i agree with cannon7 he's a bum. Calgary Flames aren't timbits run by volunteers, they are professionals being paid to do a job. If they cant do the job, get em out of here.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe we can not say stuff like this. The guy is going to lose his job. He likely loses his dream of a long term NHL head coaching gig forever. His family, we know, reads this site. He is by all accounts a good guy. Not a bum.

After some of the stuff that's been said about him I highly doubt his family is still reading this or any other Flames fan sites.

He's almost universally disliked as a coach by this fan base. Can't see anyone wanting to constantly read about how much their loved ones suck.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Computerjungle

I disagree, im paying his salary with my season tics. He didnt do his job so i agree with cannon7 he's a bum. Calgary Flames aren't timbits run by volunteers, they are professionals being paid to do a job. If they cant do the job, get em out of here.

Does that mean I can call Bennett a bum? I agree with other poster that a bit of decorum needs to be had when talking about coaches and players

Being a season ticket holder does not mean you can act like a ######.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Computerjungle

I disagree, im paying his salary with my season tics. He didnt do his job so i agree with cannon7 he's a bum. Calgary Flames aren't timbits run by volunteers, they are professionals being paid to do a job. If they cant do the job, get em out of here.

You don't pay his salary. You buy a ticket and you get what you paid for - the right to attend a game. The money you pay may or may not be used to pay his salary. For all you know it all goes for urinal cakes, or maybe a quarter of one of Murray Edwards' suits.

But in any event, whether he should be fired is an issue to discuss. Name calling isn't necessary. I and the partners in my firm actually do employ hundreds of people. Calling someone a bum is frowned upon, even if they are being fired. GG losing his job and probably any chance at a head coaching job ever again is a pretty tough thing at his age. I don't think he has done anything to deserve it.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Does that mean I can call Bennett a bum? I agree with other poster that a bit of decorum needs to be had when talking about coaches and players

Being a season ticket holder does not mean you can act like a ######.

You don’t call Bennett a bum, you call him by the other B word that perfectly sums him up, bust.

[Computerjungle]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Does that mean I can call Bennett a bum? I agree with other poster that a bit of decorum needs to be had when talking about coaches and players

But fans have been calling players coaches bums in every professional sport leagues throughout history. That’s why sports are fun and part of the candy store of life. Otherwise what’s the point of watching professional sports.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Computerjungle

But fans have been calling players coaches bums in every professional sport leagues throughout history. That’s why sports are fun and part of the candy store of life. Otherwise what’s the point of watching professional sports.

Ummm for the enjoyment of the game?

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

After some of the stuff that's been said about him I highly doubt his family is still reading this or any other Flames fan sites.

He's almost universally disliked as a coach by this fan base. Can't see anyone wanting to constantly read about how much their loved ones suck.

Why waste the time reading about it? They could easily have watched it 82 times this year.