2017/2018 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by dino7c

No I didn't say that...I also didn't say the Leafs needed Dougie. Just agreed with what it would cost if they did want him.

You also can't compare a 50 point Dman on the Flames with a 50 point Dman on the Leafs this season. Look how few goals the Flames scored.

And since when is he a bad defender? Plus player on one of the worst differential teams in the league playing against the other teams best players.

Also gotta look at his D-partner which is often overlooked on this site.

Hamilton's D-partner is Gio. That's good!

For example, Rielly's D-partner is Hunwick. That's bad!

Gardiner's partner is Zaitzev. That's more bad!

If Hamilton plays with a Hunwick type player does he put up similar numbers. Nobody knows.

But there's no denying that Hamilton having a great, all-star defender as a partner plays a role.

I'd like to see him paired with someone else and see how he does.

But yeah, Hamilton is awesome. Him and Reilly as a top pairing It would be a thing of beauty. Leafs definitely need a RHD just look at who the LHD have to play with. But I'm not sure Hamilton would be a fit for the team.

I just want CP to stop trying to poach all my favourite players on my team

[Roof-Daddy]

Man I want another top 6 center with offensive punch, and we really can't wait around to see if Bennett or Janko can develop into that.

Obviously I hope Trelving pulls out all the stops for JT if he goes UFA, but with that clearly unlikely I really hope he finds a way to snag ROR.

One 60+ point center isn't enough IMO for this team to be a legit contender. Two of them though, plus a very good two way 3rd line center? That will certainly help.

Monahan
O'Reilly
Backlund

[dustygoon]

This team has higher priorities than a RW to play on the top line. Top line was perfectly fine with healthy Monahan and Gaudreau. Just put money towards another top 6 C and rotate different guys in the RW spot...sometimes grit guy, or guy who needs to get going, or defensive specialist guy, etc.

They have a far bigger need for another top center. Backlund is great, but D Sutter is right. He is a 3rd line center. 18 mins for Monahan, get backlund back down to his 17 mins from his 19 mins this year, and add another center like RoR to get you another 18 mins...thats 53 minutes. I don't think Janko is our answer up the middle at least not yet. Predators have more than 4 guys that they consider down the middle depending on game. Same with Sharks.....pavelski is sometimes wing, sometimes center.

Add an ROR before you add a James Neal.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Man I want another top 6 center with offensive punch, and we really can't wait around to see if Bennett or Janko can develop into that.

Obviously I hope Trelving pulls out all the stops for JT if he goes UFA, but with that clearly unlikely I really hope he finds a way to snag ROR.

One 60+ point center isn't enough IMO for this team to be a legit contender. Two of them though, plus a very good two way 3rd line center? That will certainly help.

Monahan
O'Reilly
Backlund

Are you ready to move Jankowski in a deal for RoR? I suppose the Flames could keep Janko and play him on the 4th line or the wing?

I feel the Flames could use 3 top 6 forwards. A new winger for Monahan-Gaudreau and a new centre and winger for Tkachuk.

Can the Flames get O’Rielly without giving up a top 4 Dman?

If they could pull that off and then trade Hamilton for the elite top right wing then I am excited about the forward group next year.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Ryan O’Reilly is Sean Monahan. Same type of player with the same short comings. Don’t see the Flames having a guy that can make him a scorer, unless you break up Gaudreau and Monahan, which then makes Monahan less than effective. The Flames are fine in the middle, they need another winger that can score with some consistency.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by New Era

Ryan O’Reilly is Sean Monahan. Same type of player with the same short comings. Don’t see the Flames having a guy that can make him a scorer, unless you break up Gaudreau and Monahan, which then makes Monahan less than effective. The Flames are fine in the middle, they need another winger that can score with some consistency.

Whoever didn’t play with Gaudreau would play with Tkachuk and pushing Backlund down to the third line would give the team depth they sorely lacked this past season.

Having said that I do believe we can expect improvement from Jankowski next year so a centre is not ahead of a scoring winger imo. This team does not have a top 6 RW

[dissentowner]

I don't think we need another centre. I think Jankowski is on track to become a very good second line C which will allow Backlund to slide to #3. We desperately need a top RW though. Possibly even two if you don't believe Foo will be a top six RW.

[Poe969]

Dream scenario is to sign JT but likely not going to happen but adding a more offensive center should be priority #1 if at all possible IMO. If they added a guy like ROR or someone like that, it allows Backlund to excel as the #3 guy he is. Shore could be the #4 guy and Janko could play wing wherever he finds chemistry, Bennett would likely be part of a deal to get either a new center or winger. Ferland could play in the bottom 6 but he should be traded, he's not good enough to play top 6 and his trade value is probably sky high. I still think Kane would be a great addition to the team as long as either him or Tkachuck could play their off wing, but this team needs to add another top 6 winger either through UFA or trade. If they could address the goalie situation, that would help a lot too andone of Holtby or Grubeaur would be perfect!

Monahan, Gaudreau, Tkachuck, Backlund, Frolik, Shore, Lazar, Janko, new top 6C, new top 6RW, prospect, someone else. Gio, Hamilton, Hamonic, Stone, Kulak, prospect. Smith/Holtby, Grubeaur/Gillies. New coaching staff.

Adding a top 6 winger and a top 6 center, trade: Ferland, Bennett, Brodie then find a way to get rid of Brouwer. Hope a kid like Foo can grab one of the winger spots and one of Anderson or Valimaki or a different prospect takes a D spot and fix the goalie situation...and maybe add a pick or two in the draft.

It's going to be either a really fun summer or another lo g few years.

[Saqe]

Statsny is an UFA. Would be a solid #2C.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by New Era

Ryan O’Reilly is Sean Monahan. Same type of player with the same short comings. Don’t see the Flames having a guy that can make him a scorer, unless you break up Gaudreau and Monahan, which then makes Monahan less than effective. The Flames are fine in the middle, they need another winger that can score with some consistency.

Not sure how you draw that comparison but we all have our opinions. I don’t agree Monahan is lost without Johnny. Let’s not forget his rookie season he had no Johnny and was primarily the 3rd centre and put up 22 goals. I for one would love to see a second line of O’Reilly, Tkachuk and Ferland, move Backlund and Frolik with Bennett to 3rd line Jankowski to 4 with Shore and whomever. Add a RW for the top line and new coaching.....problems fixed ������

[bubbsy]

I'm curious to see who is even out there for the flames to pursue to improve their top6 scoring?

Ufa:
Neal
Kane
Stastny


Trade
Buffalo : Ror, Okposo?
Sens: Hoffman,

I realize the list of trade candidates grows as teams suffer defeat in the playoffs, I just don't know of any obvious candidates at the moment on teams already out.

[Strange Brew]

There was speculation about Landeskog when it was believed Sakic was shopping everybody. He is relatively young and presumably checks the character box. Can score a little too.

Any reason to believe he would be on the market assuming Avs don't make much noise in the playoffs?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

There was speculation about Landeskog when it was believed Sakic was shopping everybody. He is relatively young and presumably checks the character box. Can score a little too.

Any reason to believe he would be on the market assuming Avs don't make much noise in the playoffs?

I think the avs are in a place to now believe and grow around that young core rather than taking away from it.

[8sPOT]

I may be over simplifying things but it seems to me that the contending teams don't have players like Brouwer or Stajan. Rather than give time to washed up vets teams like the Pens, Preds, Bolts, and Caps seem to give those minutes to young guys that they've drafted and developed.

Brouwer wasn't the only reason we didn't make the playoffs but I swear every time he had the puck he either turned it over or had it taken away. The guy can't make plays and worse he was given loads and loads of ice time, even PP time. Countless games I was going to start jotting down how many plays he made vs losing the puck. And Stajan is not far behind. Those types of guys are momentum killers, not fast, not overly smart, not skilled. I'm done with those two guys and in my mind not having them is the ultimate addition by subtraction.

You can't tell me that Spencer Foo and Andrew Mangiapane wouldn't be better options. At the very least not constantly killing the play.

Needless to say, Treliving has to fix this or it will likely cost his job if next season is similar. I do think clearing out the entire coaching staff is a start, along with Brouwer and Stajan.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 8sPOT

I may be over simplifying things but it seems to me that the contending teams don't have players like Brouwer or Stajan. Rather than give time to washed up vets teams like the Pens, Preds, Bolts, and Caps seem to give those minutes to young guys that they've drafted and developed.

Brouwer wasn't the only reason we didn't make the playoffs but I swear every time he had the puck he either turned it over or had it taken away. The guy can't make plays and worse he was given loads and loads of ice time, even PP time. Countless games I was going to start jotting down how many plays he made vs losing the puck. And Stajan is not far behind. Those types of guys are momentum killers, not fast, not overly smart, not skilled. I'm done with those two guys and in my mind not having them is the ultimate addition by subtraction.

You can't tell me that Spencer Foo and Andrew Mangiapane wouldn't be better options. At the very least not constantly killing the play.

Needless to say, Treliving has to fix this or it will likely cost his job if next season is similar. I do think clearing out the entire coaching staff is a start, along with Brouwer and Stajan.

Well, obviously Brouwer didn't pan out, and Stajan is literally at the end of his career. I can tell you that Foo and Mangiapane had opportunities in camp and definitely didn't outplay either Brouwer or Stajan (and Mangiapane looked a bit lost when called up).

But I think there's a bit of "grass is greener" vision going on. On the Preds, Scott Hartnell has two more points than Brouwer (and almost exactly the same stats as Brouwer had last year). They unretired Mike Fisher. Their bottom pairing D is Emelin and a revolving door of Irwin, Bitetto and Yanik Weber.

Boston has Gionta and Wingels. TB has Callahan (at $5.8M for 2 more years) with 5 goals, playing fourth line wing, They can't be too happy with Kunitz (albeit pretty cheap and short term).

[8sPOT]

I guess it just felt like Brouwer was used in situations that he shouldn't be in. On the PP, taking face offs late in the game. I suppose this is more a knock on Gulutzan than Brouwer though.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Are you ready to move Jankowski in a deal for RoR? I suppose the Flames could keep Janko and play him on the 4th line or the wing?

I feel the Flames could use 3 top 6 forwards. A new winger for Monahan-Gaudreau and a new centre and winger for Tkachuk.

Can the Flames get O’Rielly without giving up a top 4 Dman?

If they could pull that off and then trade Hamilton for the elite top right wing then I am excited about the forward group next year.

I'd be willing to do both in order to get ROR (if Tavares can't be snagged)

Brodie + Janko for ROR + some sort of pick possibly


Something along those lines maybe...

Maybe I need to be more patient and see what Janko turns into I guess, but I just feel another very good two way center is what this team needs right now.

ROR to me is a mix between Monahan and Backlund as in he's better than Mony defensively and better than Backlund offensively. It would create a very solid top 3 center group that are all locked in for 5-6 years.

[The Boy Wonder]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'd be willing to do both in order to get ROR (if Tavares can't be snagged)

Brodie + Janko for ROR + some sort of pick possibly


Something along those lines maybe...

Maybe I need to be more patient and see what Janko turns into I guess, but I just feel another very good two way center is what this team needs right now.

ROR to me is a mix between Monahan and Backlund as in he's better than Mony defensively and better than Backlund offensively. It would create a very solid top 3 center group that are all locked in for 5-6 years.

I think the potential for another expansion draft as early as next offseason (potentially) has to play a major role in this. Assuming the flames want to protect their top 4 dmen makes it more difficult to acquire someone like ROR when Janko wouldn’t need to be protected.

I think it would be good to at least see where the flames would be at for contracts and who we’d have to leave unprotected if something like that were to happen. Maybe it’s not until summer 2020 but that’s still a huge factor

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I'd be willing to do both in order to get ROR (if Tavares can't be snagged)

Brodie + Janko for ROR + some sort of pick possibly


Something along those lines maybe...

Maybe I need to be more patient and see what Janko turns into I guess, but I just feel another very good two way center is what this team needs right now.

ROR to me is a mix between Monahan and Backlund as in he's better than Mony defensively and better than Backlund offensively. It would create a very solid top 3 center group that are all locked in for 5-6 years.

Nope, for me Janko is off the table in that deal. I see some serious upside in Janko and think his upside is a very good 2nd line C. I would rather do Backlund+Brodie+something else for ROR and Nylander.

[8sPOT]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nope, for me Janko is off the table in that deal. I see some serious upside in Janko and think his upside is a very good 2nd line C. I would rather do Backlund+Brodie+something else for ROR and Nylander.

Agreed, Janko's size and speed alone were impressive not to mention his hands, shot, and decent overall awareness on the ice. I see this kid as really solid center, the type you win with.

Would rather trade Bennett than Janko, but I dont want to trade him either. If we are trading young players I want to trade some of our many great D prospects.