Why are the Flames so boring?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by CSharp

I blame Treliving. He's redoing what Sutter has done for years - get greedy on defence and build from the net out. There's absolutely no depth up front in scoring and too much emphasis on defence. Hence, low scoring games and points given up on nearly most of the games played thus far.

Treliving goes out to get Hamonic while the Ducks goes out to get Henrique. It's like a WTF moment! I'd do what the Ducks have done any day over the Hamonic one. I wouldn't be surprised if the Flames ended looking more or less like the Coyotes - frickin boring and going nowhere.

This is actually my worst nightmare. Treliving has done a great job in a lot of ways but I do see similarities to that organization, and that is not a good thing. They are the drying paint of the NHL.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Does Vegas, Jersey, Columbus , NYR, Carolina, Nashville or Minny ? Cause they are all ahead of us!

Looking at those teams and I can’t find someone I would trade JG for!

Agree with your first point, but your second is questionable. you wouldn't trade JG for Josi, Johanson, Seth Jones, Bobrovsky or Taylor Hall? I would without thinking twice. nice that you threw Vegas in there though.

If JG isn't scoring, he isn't doing anything. Offensively he has elite vision, hands, and is a great skater, but his shots are muffins. Physically he brings next to nothing, in fact he is a liability, and has no exemption defensive skills to speak of.

Bottom line; the Flames do not have a single elite player.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Agree with your first point, but your second is questionable. you wouldn't trade JG for Josi, Johanson, Seth Jones, Bobrovsky or Taylor Hall? I would without thinking twice. nice that you threw Vegas in there though.

If JG isn't scoring, he isn't doing anything. Offensively he has elite vision, hands, and is a great skater, but his shots are muffins. Physically he brings next to nothing, in fact he is a liability, and has no exemption defensive skills to speak of.

Bottom line; the Flames do not have a single elite player.

Maybe Josi. No chance on the others . And at best they are the same quality if we add in fan bias .

Bottom line : Only 10ish teams have an Elite player . Everyone else manages to figure it out or suck bad enough to get a 1st overall pick

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Agree with your first point, but your second is questionable. you wouldn't trade JG for Josi, Johanson, Seth Jones, Bobrovsky or Taylor Hall? I would without thinking twice. nice that you threw Vegas in there though.

If JG isn't scoring, he isn't doing anything. Offensively he has elite vision, hands, and is a great skater, but his shots are muffins. Physically he brings next to nothing, in fact he is a liability, and has no exemption defensive skills to speak of.

Bottom line; the Flames do not have a single elite player.

If Taylor Hall isn't scoring, he isn't doing anything. Offensively he has elite vision, hands, and is a great skater.... . Physically he brings next to nothing, in fact he is a liability, and has no exemption defensive skills to speak of.

LOL, what's your point?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Agree with your first point, but your second is questionable. you wouldn't trade JG for Josi, Johanson, Seth Jones, Bobrovsky or Taylor Hall? I would without thinking twice. nice that you threw Vegas in there though.

If JG isn't scoring, he isn't doing anything. Offensively he has elite vision, hands, and is a great skater, but his shots are muffins. Physically he brings next to nothing, in fact he is a liability, and has no exemption defensive skills to speak of.

Bottom line; the Flames do not have a single elite player.

The Flames have plenty of talent. This is a promising group of young players. Utilization of that talent is the issue.

I actually don’t find the players boring, but do find the team boring...if that makes sense.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If Taylor Hall isn't scoring, he isn't doing anything. Offensively he has elite vision, hands, and is a great skater.... . Physically he brings next to nothing, in fact he is a liability, and has no exemption defensive skills to speak of.

LOL, what's your point?

Halls bigger, more physical and has a shot.

JG's shot is a muffin.

my point is that JG is not an elite player. He can't control a game. He can be dangerous at times, but he's not in the same stratosphere as Getzlaf, Kane, Benn, Kucherov, Hedman, Malkin, Matthews, Karlson, Crosby, McDavid, Josi, Doughty etc etc for example.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Halls bigger, more physical and has a shot.

JG's shot is a muffin.

If hall isn't scoring who cares about his shot, and I do question his physicality.

By your definition, most high end forwards aren't really elite (Patrick Kane ain't all that different than Gaudreau).

[redforever]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

We have three solid lines capable of scoring, but team scoring has dried up completely. Offensive depth isn't the issue, scoring is, and that's in big part due to the system.

Because at this point in time, every other team is onto our so called "system" and it is easy to defend against.

So we can't leave our zone and we can't enter their zone. How can you score when you can't do either of those?

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Igottago

The Flames have plenty of talent. This is a promising group of young players. Utilization of that talent is the issue.

I actually don’t find the players boring, but do find the team boring...if that makes sense.

yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

but I don't understand what magic wand GG is supposed to wave in order for the players to perform to their supposed level of expectation.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If hall isn't scoring who cares about his shot, and I do question his physicality.

By your definition, most high end forwards aren't really elite (Patrick Kane ain't all that different than Gaudreau).

Kane is better than Gaudreau. He does have an elite shot, and he is much bigger.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Again I find myself surprised GG takes so much heat.

Honest question; do the Flames have a single elite player?

No

[Dion]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

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It's unbearable. Can't stand it. Why is this happening? I've never been so bored by a hockey team, not since the Brent years.

I find it boring when we have to play teams that like to trap up the neutral zone. GG doesn't seem to have an answer to counter that type of play.

For the most part I enjoy watching the Flames play. The game against the Sharks the other night was one of the best of the season for excitement and action

[redforever]

Originally Posted by TOfan

yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

but I don't understand what magic wand GG is supposed to wave in order for the players to perform to their supposed level of expectation.

GG will never possess such a wand. He might have a so called brilliant hockey mind (I question that), but he is not a motivator and he can't teach his so called system.

He simply is not that kind of person and I doubt he ever evolves into such a person. He is just boring.

[MikePatton]

I think it's the system. It's not that it stymies offence by design, but what I think happens is that it requires attention to detail and generally doesn't lead to blowout wins even when we dominate play. In my opinion, the result of this is that the flames are really focused on playing mistake-free hockey because a breakdown means the puck is in our own net, even though we've been clearly the better team but find ourselves only up by one or tied.

And when the players are that focused on playing a tight system, it's hard to really let your creativity run rampant.

That, and how often do we activate our defense? Night and day from how Hartley used the defence offensively. Unrelated but I sure miss those high shooting percentages

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

If hall isn't scoring who cares about his shot, and I do question his physicality.

By your definition, most high end forwards aren't really elite (Patrick Kane ain't all that different than Gaudreau).

Come on Bubbsy you know better! Kane and Gaudreau are not in the same convo yet. Maybe down the road, when he wins a Hart, Art Ross, and a Stanley cup.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by TOfan

yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

but I don't understand what magic wand GG is supposed to wave in order for the players to perform to their supposed level of expectation.

He’s doesn’t coach to the players strengths. They want to play a trap style, grind the other team down with cycling game. But our best players are mobile defencemen and the leagues smallest forward.

He keeps trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole . Good coaches maximize their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. Bad coaches create a system that works in their mind, but are too ???? To adapt when things don’t go according to plan and/or the other teams COACH changes their strategy

[Dion]

Originally Posted by redforever

Because at this point in time, every other team is onto our so called "system" and it is easy to defend against.

So we can't leave our zone and we can't enter their zone. How can you score when you can't do either of those?

I think you're over dramatizing the situation. If that was the case we'd be at the bottom of the standings. That's not to say we don't struggle with the above from time to time.

[DJones]

There's nothing wrong with stocking up on offensive defenders. The problem is if you don't use them.

We have Brodie and Hamilton. There isn't 5 teams in the league with two better defensive skaters. And yet all we use them for is to make the first pass and passively follow up.

Why even have those types of players if we aren't going to use them. In the current system Stone is a better defender than Brodie or Hamilton. I like Stone, he's a stereotypical stay at home guy. We could get 4 of him no problem and save a boat load of cap space not paying Hamilton and Brodie. So make a choice. Either get a bunch of Stones, or use the elite skaters we have in a constructive way.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by redforever

GG will never possess such a wand. He might have a so called brilliant hockey mind (I question that), but he is not a motivator and he can't teach his so called system.

He simply is not that kind of person and I doubt he ever evolves into such a person. He is just boring.

How do you know these things?

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by TOfan

How do you know these things?

Results speak for themselves . I don’t really care WHY he can’t win as a coach, just that he can’t.